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Danzig 05-02-2009 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
What makes it worse is that you can't even embrace the small time people making it big because, besides Borel, these people are dreadful.

lol

not really. maybe not so polished. but if polished gives you ieah, i'll take that guy on crutches any day.
i told my husband the guy had a fancy new spittoon now. :D

Sightseek 05-02-2009 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Why do they have some nasty backstory? I did hear the trainer give credit to the former trainer, which I thought was nice.

The trainer just seems like a jerk and makes Pletcher look like Mr. Outgoing and Spontaneous.

Rileyoriley 05-02-2009 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
What makes it worse is that you can't even embrace the small time people making it big because, besides Borel, these people are dreadful.

I'll take them over the group from last year any day.:)

Danzig 05-02-2009 06:32 PM

from kyderby.com:



Mine That Bird pulled the second-biggest upset in Derby history, eclipsed only by Donerail's famous 91-1 shocker in 1913.

Mine That Bird also became the first Canadian champion juvenile to wear the roses since Sunny's Halo in 1983. The winner of the Grey S. (Can-G3), Swynford S. and Silver Deputy S. on Woodbine's Polytrack last season, he rewarded his backers with payouts of $103.20, $54 and $25.80.

Pioneerof the Nile held second narrowly, paying $8.40 and $6.40, while third-place finisher Musket Man (Yonaguska) returned $12. The exacta was worth $2,074.80, the trifecta totaled $41,500.60, and with Papa Clem (Smart Strike) in fourth, the 8-16-2-7 superfecta was good for $557,006.38.

Completing the order of finish were Chocolate Candy (Candy Ride [Arg]), Summer Bird (Birdstone), Join in the Dance (Sky Mesa), Regal Ransom (Distorted Humor), West Side Bernie (Bernstein), General Quarters (Sky Mesa), Dunkirk (Unbridled's Song), Hold Me Back (Giant's Causeway), Advice (Chapel Royal), Desert Party (Street Cry [Ire]), Mr. Hot Stuff (Tiznow), Atomic Rain (Smart Strike), Nowhere to Hide (Vindication), 7-2 favorite Friesan Fire (A.P. Indy) and Flying Private (Fusaichi Pegasus).

Danzig 05-02-2009 06:33 PM

friesan fire does things a bit differently...instead of finishing second like the last two years, porter/jones finish second to last.

ouch!

cowgirlintexas 05-02-2009 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
from kyderby.com:



Mine That Bird pulled the second-biggest upset in Derby history, eclipsed only by Donerail's famous 91-1 shocker in 1913.

Mine That Bird also became the first Canadian champion juvenile to wear the roses since Sunny's Halo in 1983. The winner of the Grey S. (Can-G3), Swynford S. and Silver Deputy S. on Woodbine's Polytrack last season, he rewarded his backers with payouts of $103.20, $54 and $25.80.

Pioneerof the Nile held second narrowly, paying $8.40 and $6.40, while third-place finisher Musket Man (Yonaguska) returned $12. The exacta was worth $2,074.80, the trifecta totaled $41,500.60, and with Papa Clem (Smart Strike) in fourth, the 8-16-2-7 superfecta was good for $557,006.38.

Completing the order of finish were Chocolate Candy (Candy Ride [Arg]), Summer Bird (Birdstone), Join in the Dance (Sky Mesa), Regal Ransom (Distorted Humor), West Side Bernie (Bernstein), General Quarters (Sky Mesa), Dunkirk (Unbridled's Song), Hold Me Back (Giant's Causeway), Advice (Chapel Royal), Desert Party (Street Cry [Ire]), Mr. Hot Stuff (Tiznow), Atomic Rain (Smart Strike), Nowhere to Hide (Vindication), 7-2 favorite Friesan Fire (A.P. Indy) and Flying Private (Fusaichi Pegasus).

OMG! :eek:

MaTH716 05-02-2009 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
friesan fire does things a bit differently...instead of finishing second like the last two years, porter/jones finish second to last.

ouch!

Not making excuses for FF, but it seemed that he was slammed hard on the break and then pinched. Never got going after that.

philcski 05-02-2009 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
from kyderby.com:



Mine That Bird pulled the second-biggest upset in Derby history, eclipsed only by Donerail's famous 91-1 shocker in 1913.

Mine That Bird also became the first Canadian champion juvenile to wear the roses since Sunny's Halo in 1983. The winner of the Grey S. (Can-G3), Swynford S. and Silver Deputy S. on Woodbine's Polytrack last season, he rewarded his backers with payouts of $103.20, $54 and $25.80.

Pioneerof the Nile held second narrowly, paying $8.40 and $6.40, while third-place finisher Musket Man (Yonaguska) returned $12. The exacta was worth $2,074.80, the trifecta totaled $41,500.60, and with Papa Clem (Smart Strike) in fourth, the 8-16-2-7 superfecta was good for $557,006.38.

Completing the order of finish were Chocolate Candy (Candy Ride [Arg]), Summer Bird (Birdstone), Join in the Dance (Sky Mesa), Regal Ransom (Distorted Humor), West Side Bernie (Bernstein), General Quarters (Sky Mesa), Dunkirk (Unbridled's Song), Hold Me Back (Giant's Causeway), Advice (Chapel Royal), Desert Party (Street Cry [Ire]), Mr. Hot Stuff (Tiznow), Atomic Rain (Smart Strike), Nowhere to Hide (Vindication), 7-2 favorite Friesan Fire (A.P. Indy) and Flying Private (Fusaichi Pegasus).

If it wasn't for Borel and being the Kentucky Derby he would have been 250-1. Seriously. On form he was 15 lengths off of possible.

10 pnt move up 05-02-2009 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
If it wasn't for Borel and being the Kentucky Derby he would have been 250-1. Seriously. On form he was 15 lengths off of possible.

horses dont go off long anymore after 2005.

CSC 05-02-2009 06:51 PM

Glad to see Summer Bird not disgrace himself, I think this horse has some talent.

Sightseek 05-02-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Glad to see Summer Bird not disgrace himself, I think this horse has some talent.

It's a darn good thing horses don't care like we do over who wins because I would be disgraced to walk back to the barn after being beat by Mine That Bird. LOL

SCUDSBROTHER 05-02-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
If it wasn't for Borel and being the Kentucky Derby he would have been 250-1. Seriously. On form he was 15 lengths off of possible.

I'm not much of a figure player, but I sure don't see anything that would say he was fast enough to do what he did. Can say all they want 'bout Canada, but he's been too slow.

GenuineRisk 05-02-2009 07:01 PM

I thought the trainer looked a bit shy, not arrogant at all.

Found an article from the courier-journal about him- it says he thought Mine That Bird's connections were "stretching it" to enter him in the Derby. Heh. One of the owners says in it, "We'll run better than people have predicted." Uh, yeah. I'll say.

From Rodeo to Kentucky Derby

MaTH716 05-02-2009 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I'm not much of a figure player, but I sure don't see anything that would say he was fast enough to do what he did. Can say all they want 'bout Canada, but he's been too slow.

The horse got a great trip (helped by a golden rail) and freaked in the mud!

Danzig 05-02-2009 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716
Not making excuses for FF, but it seemed that he was slammed hard on the break and then pinched. Never got going after that.

lol

yet you did just that.

CSC 05-02-2009 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
It's a darn good thing horses don't care like we do over who wins because I would be disgraced to walk back to the barn after being beat by Mine That Bird. LOL

It is rather hard to figure, the horse will probably never win another race in his career. :rolleyes: sarcastic eyeroll. He ruined my tickets but what the hey good for Borel and the connections, it is somewhat reassuring that the derby still cannot be bought with simple :$:

Danzig 05-02-2009 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
It is rather hard to figure, the horse will probably never win another race in his career. :rolleyes: sarcastic eyeroll. He ruined my tickets but what the hey good for Borel and the connections, it is somewhat reassuring that the derby still cannot be bought with simple :$:


but it can...cost them 9500 hundred to buy that horse. amazing.

CSC 05-02-2009 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
but it can...cost them 9500 hundred to buy that horse. amazing.

I wonder if Godolphin will adopt this philosophy. Another eyeroll...:rolleyes:

Give them credit they are improving.

outofthebox 05-02-2009 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
but it can...cost them 9500 hundred to buy that horse. amazing.

they bought him privately after his Grey Stakes in Canada for 400k.

Danzig 05-02-2009 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I wonder if Godolphin will adopt this philosophy. Another eyeroll...:rolleyes:


Give them credit they are improving.

not really. their best ever derby finish was sixth. today their best was eighth.

miraja2 05-02-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Glad to see Summer Bird not disgrace himself, I think this horse has some talent.

He ran well. It was a pretty good day for Birdstone, who never got the respect he deserved as a racehorse.
I have always hoped that he would become a good sire, and today certainly won't hurt.

otisotisotis 05-02-2009 07:30 PM

my newest angle - juiced Birdstones on the slop. i remember when he (Birdstone) flopped at the Lanes End on a sealed track, with Bailey pitching a fit. lol

Merlinsky 05-02-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
He ran well. It was a pretty good day for Birdstone, who never got the respect he deserved as a racehorse.
I have always hoped that he would become a good sire, and today certainly won't hurt.

From Unbridled to Grindstone to Birdstone now to Mine That Bird, well I think we can say 3 Derby winners and a Belmont isn't too shabby for that line. Hmm.

King Glorious 05-02-2009 07:33 PM

Pioneer showed well for himself despite some people absolutely insisting that he couldn't run on dirt (and calling those who didn't write him off like they did idiots).

The California form held up pretty good.

Couldn't have picked that winner with 1000 tries. I wouldn't have ever put him in the super.

Musket Man will win some good races this year.

If this winner was owned by the same guy that owns Rachel Alexandra, he wouldn't have even been in the race since he says the TC is a showcase for stallions and Mine that Bird is a gelding.

Danzig 05-02-2009 07:35 PM

from drf:


Woolley (the derby winning trainer) had won with 1 of 32 starters this year before Saturday.

2Hot4TV 05-02-2009 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
from drf:


Woolley (the derby winning trainer) had won with 1 of 32 starters this year before Saturday.

I guess we will remember his name now...... Hell I love this game and cant remember who trained the winners in the last three years.

cakes44 05-02-2009 07:50 PM

Hard to see the Sunland Derby not getting Grade III status next year now. That will throw the preps of some horses for a loop.

Danzig 05-02-2009 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
I guess we will remember his name now...... Hell I love this game and cant remember who trained the winners in the last three years.

how can you forget that oh so lovable warm and fuzzy guy from last year? :rolleyes:

MaTH716 05-02-2009 07:51 PM

At least Monmouth park won't have to create a special race for him like they did for Big Brown last year. They run 30k claimers at least twice a week there.

Danzig 05-02-2009 08:27 PM

everyone who didn't want POTN because of jon whites incessant praise needs to send mine that birds connections a thank you card.

freddymo 05-02-2009 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716
At least Monmouth park won't have to create a special race for him like they did for Big Brown last year. They run 30k claimers at least twice a week there.

Post of the year

SCUDSBROTHER 05-02-2009 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
everyone who didn't want POTN because of jon whites incessant praise needs to send mine that birds connections a thank you card.

Andy's already thanked MYNAH BIRD publicly, and no telling what he would do for the horse privately. Who has your injured- pawed IWR beaten? Nobody? Where did the horses he beat finish in the Derby? Nowhere...IWR has good figures at 1 track, and beat nobody in the process. He got great figures at that track, because, well, you've got the figure makers living there. Big Surprise. Tell me who that IWR has beaten. He has good figures from biased figure-makers. So what. W BERNIE, or Atomic do anything in the Derby to justify the figs they got in the WOOD? NO!! All signs point to POTN's race at HWD, (and the Lewis at ANITA) being given low figures due to bias. Soon as Clem left town he got better figs. When IWR left town his figs went thru the roof(even though he beat nothing at all last time.) Then POTN beats Clem AGAIN, and beats the Illinois Derby Winner(both were supposed to be faster on dirt than POTN.) All signs point to him being atleast 2nd or 3rd best in his class. So, you better start bitching about the whole class of 3 year olds now. Would make more sense than trying to make fun of a horse who is consistently running well at 4 different tracks(turf, synthetic, and dirt.) He's not flashy, but he isn't the dog(or "joke") you've consistently portrayed him to be.

westcoastinvader 05-02-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
Hard to see the Sunland Derby not getting Grade III status next year now. That will throw the preps of some horses for a loop.


I guess between Peppers Pride and Mine that Bird, New Mexico racing might get a little more respect, eh?

Seriously, it is pretty cool that the often dissed here New Mexico's Peppers Pride leaves the all time unbeaten mark at 19 within five months of another New Mexico racing connection winning the Kentucky Derby....easily.

Like it or not, it happened.

Travis Stone 05-02-2009 09:53 PM

Hold Me Back's backstretch move was a Derby winning move... a few furlongs early.

ninetoone 05-02-2009 09:54 PM

I thought for sure Papa Clem was going to win at the top of the stretch.

Danzig 05-02-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Andy's already thanked MYNAH BIRD publicly, and no telling what he would do for the horse privately. Who has your injured- pawed IWR beaten? Nobody? Where did the horses he beat finish in the Derby? Nowhere...IWR has good figures at 1 track, and beat nobody in the process. He got great figures at that track, because, well, you've got the figure makers living there. Big Surprise. Tell me who that IWR has beaten. He has good figures from biased figure-makers. So what. W BERNIE, or Atomic do anything in the Derby to justify the figs they got in the WOOD? NO!! All signs point to POTN's race at HWD, (and the Lewis at ANITA) being given low figures due to bias. Soon as Clem left town he got better figs. When IWR left town his figs went thru the roof(even though he beat nothing at all last time.) Then POTN beats Clem AGAIN, and beats the Illinois Derby Winner(both were supposed to be faster on dirt than POTN.) All signs point to him being atleast 2nd or 3rd best in his class. So, you better start bitching about the whole class of 3 year olds now. Would make more sense than trying to make fun of a horse who is consistently running well at 4 different tracks(turf, synthetic, and dirt.) He's not flashy, but he isn't the dog(or "joke") you've consistently portrayed him to be.

i wasn't an IWR 'fan'. but i did think he had the best shot today.
i didn't dog POTN either. i'd bet him at santa anita any day of the week.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-02-2009 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Hold Me Back's backstretch move was a Derby winning move... a few furlongs early.

Isn't that what he did in the Remsen?

Danzig 05-02-2009 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Isn't that what he did in the Remsen?


i posted the other day that mott didn't like him on dirt, and pointed to his remsen as the reason why....people still picked him.

Travis Stone 05-02-2009 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i posted the other day that mott didn't like him on dirt, and pointed to his remsen as the reason why....people still picked him.

What?! The Remsen was an okay effort all things considered. And for a horse who didn't like the dirt, he certainly picked off plenty of horses going down the backstretch with no problem.


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