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hockey2315 03-30-2008 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I said after the comeback race earlier in the month that Big Brown would be better than any horse that would run in either the Florida Derby, Blue Grass or Wood not named War Pass. I still feel that way. There is no way this horse doesn't finish in the exacta in the Derby if he's in the gate.

Really?!?! Well then it sounds like you're going to be making a lot of money come May 3rd. . . I guess I won't :(

Cannon Shell 03-30-2008 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Isn't something done to the track between pretty much every race? I doubt we can tell with the naked eye, or even binoculars, what it is that changes the speed of the surface.

You mean there isnt a big scraper with a neon sign attached to it saying "NOW SCRAPING"? Actually the addition of water especially on a hot day will do alot to tighten up a dirt track.

Cannon Shell 03-30-2008 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
and i would think his ability to remain fit would be affected by that-as well as his ability to run at churchill. like moss said, that track is unkind to bad feet.

And this is based upon?

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
And this is based upon?

Was wondering the same thing myself... I had heard the opposite of Churchill's surface. :confused:

Danzig 03-30-2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
And this is based upon?

i don't know, ask randy moss.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-30-2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
And this is based upon?

A bunch of nonsense that because the CD track on Derby day typically yields fast times throughout the card that it must be like a paved road and thus horses without the toughest of feet get exposed over it.

pgardn 03-30-2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i do have a question tho.

i just read the write up on t'bred times and they say that his stamina was never depleted. but what about his stretch run? was he weaving like an irishman on st paddys day because he was green? or was he rubber legged because he ran out of gas?


He was blowing very hard after the race when they were talking to kent.
I remember thinking I wanted him to walk it out, not just sit and do an interview.

Cannon Shell 03-30-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i don't know, ask randy moss.

He hasnt been seen since the Super Bowl

Cannon Shell 03-30-2008 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
He was blowing very hard after the race when they were talking to kent.

What did you expect? Him to be sitting on a beach chair, sipping a Frank's Energy drink?

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
What did you expect? Him to be sitting on a beach chair, sipping a Frank's Energy drink?

You're in rare form tonight, Chuck. :D

The Indomitable DrugS 03-30-2008 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
He was blowing very hard after the race when they were talking to kent.

He only had two workouts all year prior to his return race ....

Being that far behind on seasoning, and running fast early and winning a fast paced 9 furlong race in blowout fashion....he had every right to get tired in the late stages and after the race.

He'd be from another planet if he wasn't a little tired.

dylbert 03-30-2008 08:22 PM

Feets Don't Fail Me Now...
 
Big Brown may come up four feet short of the Kentucky Derby -- as in his four hooves. Bad feet have stopped many horses through the years.

Cannon Shell 03-30-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
You're in rare form tonight, Chuck. :D

I watched No Country for Old Men tonight and the 457 killings are affecting me.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-30-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He hasnt been seen since the Super Bowl

We need to get the ESPN racing analyst a similar rap song to this great one in his honor...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXivi7uqtTc

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dylbert
Big Brown may come up four feet short of the Kentucky Derby -- as in his four hooves. Bad feet have stopped many horses through the years.

Scat Daddy being last year's version. :mad:

pgardn 03-30-2008 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
What did you expect? Him to be sitting on a beach chair, sipping a Frank's Energy drink?


Sometimes Dutrows horses seem in extraordinary good
shape and catch their wind very quickly.

He was breathing very hard.
He was not prepared for a good ole gallop out
like some of Dutrows others. Reminded of me of
my own dry heaving after excessive exertion after a race.
Ya just dont want to sit there. My wife has this excessive paranioa
about cooling horses down properly and she kind of got mad.

Cannon Shell 03-30-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Sometimes Dutrows horses seem in extraordinary good
shape and catch their wind very quickly.

He was breathing very hard.
He was not prepared for a good ole gallop out
like some of Dutrows others.

You actually monitor the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow horses?

Payson Dave 03-30-2008 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You actually monitor the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow horses?

I laughed...

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah it was bad feet. :rolleyes:

He had quarter cracks in his feet...

Scat Daddy would blow the socks off most of these horses in this year's crop. :rolleyes:

TheSpyder 03-30-2008 08:28 PM

Yea, Kent D. looked very tired after the race and not sure he can handle the Derby distance. After the interview I swear he was limping as he walked away.

Spyder

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
My wife has this excessive paranioa
about cooling horses down properly and she kind of got mad.

It bothers me too, but I can't remember seeing a racehorse (especially one that ran lights out like him) NOT blow hard afterwards.

Cannon Shell 03-30-2008 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
I laughed...

More interesting would be the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow. He keeps winning like this he will be borrowing suits from Hank Goldberg

Riot 03-30-2008 08:31 PM

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i just read the write up on t'bred times and they say that his stamina was never depleted. but what about his stretch run? was he weaving like an irishman on st paddys day because he was green? or was he rubber legged because he ran out of gas?
I just watched the replay (again - free on Bloodhorse TCM page, guys) - he didn't weave at all.

He came off the turn 3 wide - and he drove down the center of the track. He came out about 1 path more to a left whip, then the jock took him down to the rail, where he stayed.

Smooth Air is still impressive. More so. Bloodhorse says both are definitely in the Derby. Feet allegedly fine on Big Brown.

Riot 03-30-2008 08:33 PM

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I was trackside and did not see anything done to the track.
It was harrowed (I can tell from the video) - do you know if it was watered?

Riot 03-30-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
More interesting would be the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow. He keeps winning like this he will be borrowing suits from Hank Goldberg

Good lord .....

Payson Dave 03-30-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
More interesting would be the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow. He keeps winning like this he will be borrowing suits from Hank Goldberg

Has he (RD) gotten considerably larger in the past few years??? .....perhaps an overexposure to steroids??

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mumtaz
Good lord .....

Yeah, it would be tough to remove the sweaty pit stains from Hank's suits.

pgardn 03-30-2008 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You actually monitor the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow horses?

You missed the thread.
Dutrow had some other horses mentioned
by some other posters that looked very good winning
implying that this was per usual... that they could run
all day.

pgardn 03-30-2008 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
It bothers me too, but I can't remember seeing a racehorse (especially one that ran lights out like him) NOT blow hard afterwards.

I have seen plenty of horses coming home looking like drunken
sailors and not breathing like that. did you watch the interview
while the horse had to sit there? He needed to move. but most
of the animals I have seen up close, are not what we would call
superior runners. And I have seen interview done live on the horses
with the jock where the horses looked like they could do it all again.

Big brown did not look like he was ready for another ala Ernie Banks.

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I have seen plenty of horses coming home looking like drunken
sailors and not breathing like that. did you watch the interview
while the horse had to sit there? He needed to move.

Yeah, I watched the video... he was blowing hard like most horses do after they run lights out. Did he need to be walked out and cooled down? I think the answer to that should be an obvious YES.

Danzig 03-30-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah it was bad feet. :rolleyes:

bad being latin for slow.

Danzig 03-30-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Yeah, I watched the video... he was blowing hard like most horses do after they run lights out. Did he need to be walked out and cooled down? I think the answer to that should be an obvious YES.

i always roll my eyes a bit at the 'he wouldn't blow out a match' line after a hard race.

pgardn 03-30-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Yeah, I watched the video... he was blowing hard like most horses do after they run lights out. Did he need to be walked out and cooled down? I think the answer to that should be an obvious YES.

I have seen horses run lights at longer distances
that walk around proudly shaking the head still galloping.
Thats all I am saying. He obviously ran very hard. The winning
bravado that some horses display after blowing a field away
was not there. So it was not an effortless
journey by a vastly superior horse. Thats what I mean.
He won by open lengths, he was not chased down.
So it is important to me that it was not a piece of
cake effort for him even though he decimated the field.

Had Big Brown galloped out fully shaking his head asking
for more I would have been totally amazed.

When I saw those fractions coming up I was certain
he was dead meat. I was so wrong.

Cajungator26 03-30-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Seriously?


skippy3481 03-30-2008 10:20 PM

I agree Pgardn.. I bet against the horse and after he took the first half in 45 and change, I thought he would fold like a cheap tent..... While i haven't decided if I would play him in the derby, I do think it was one of the best preps this year and I can't wait to see how he trains up to the derby.

hockey2315 03-30-2008 11:03 PM

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Big Brown's behavior after the race. He was a little aggressive.

Pedigree Ann 03-31-2008 04:58 AM

I have two words for you guys - Bellamy Road.

I have been around long enough that I try to resist getting too overcome with enthusiasm about a horse based on one superior race. (Remember Daaher?) Good race on a track that didn't seem kind to closers. Too bad he will be given time off to lose condition rather than another race to bring him on before the Derby.


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