Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   Triple Crown Topics/Archive.. (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9)
-   -   Suggestions for Casino Drive Jockey (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22386)

SCUDSBROTHER 05-20-2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Pretty sure Prado was hurt at the time. . .

He should of been on him in the Florida Derby. He had won one from that far out before. I want to see him show Dutrow who should of had this mount. You're right. What's done is done, but don't be surprised when you see Edgar come suck them up late. Dutrow has the loyalty of a cheeto-eatin' pothead.

my miss storm cat 05-20-2008 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I saw that race Saturady night and I really think Vodka had no excuse, hard to blame Take IMO. She was in position, the horse just couldn't pick them up. The race in Dubai was probably farther than she wanted to go if my memory serves me correct from looking at the past p's Sat - Sun morning.

I still haven't bothered to watch the replay.

Wasn't in the mood Sunday after the Singapore thing but there have been a couple of times when I wasn't thrilled.

Take may be all that, but he's no Brett. :D

Will check the replay later... :)

CSC 05-20-2008 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
I still haven't bothered to watch the replay.

Wasn't in the mood Sunday after the Singapore thing but there have been a couple of times when I wasn't thrilled.

Take may be all that, but he's no Brett. :D

Will check the replay later... :)

I know why you like Brett ;)

my miss storm cat 05-20-2008 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I know why you like Brett ;)

:p

... and he's good, too!

SCUDSBROTHER 05-20-2008 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I saw that race Saturady night and I really think Vodka had no excuse, hard to blame Take IMO. She was in position, the horse just couldn't pick them up. Perhaps she is not at her best at the moment...The race in Dubai was probably farther than she wanted to go if my memory serves me correct from looking at the past p's Sat - Sun morning. Sorry I have to disagree...

Not saying he cost her the race, but it wasn't as good of a ride as you'd like to get. Lets face it, she is a little lazy, and you aren't gunna win with anything but a really good ride on her. I figured she'd run second. We all know this type of horse. Whenever I hear them bring up her name (VODKA,) I know there is a false favorite that night. What's that 4 tops song? Just call out VODKA's name ,and "I'LLLLLLL BE THEEEEEEEERE."

CSC 05-20-2008 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Not saying he cost her the race, but it wasn't as good of a ride as you'd like to get. Lets face it, she is a little lazy, and you aren't gunna win with anything but a really good ride on her. I figured she'd run second. We all know this type of horse. Whenever I hear them bring up her name (VODKA,) I know there is a false favorite that night. What's that 4 tops song? Just call out VODKA's name ,and "I'LLLLLLL BE THEEEEEEEERE."

I think she has perhaps already peaked, let's face it her reputation precedes her now and as you rightfully have pointed out perhaps she was a false favorite Sunday morning. Hey we all have opinions and mine is not necessarily better than anyone's other. I thought if she was good enough she would have outfinished the other horses despite being a little farther back than ideally. That's what good horses are supposed to do.

my miss storm cat 05-23-2008 08:28 PM

Jockey announcement expected on Monday...

http://drf.com/news/article/94819.html

miraja2 05-23-2008 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Jockey announcement expected on Monday...

http://drf.com/news/article/94819.html

It will almost surely be Prado, Gomez, or Justin Dew.

Strategic Mission 05-24-2008 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
It will almost surely be Prado, Gomez, or Justin Dew.

It is Edgar Prado according to my father's trainer at Belmont.

XIIPointStables 05-24-2008 08:33 AM

Dutrow commented on the ride by Edgar Prado aboard Riley Tucker in the Preakness. Prado, who often rides for Dutrow, rode Riley Tucker aggressively to keep Big Brown down on the rail as the field entered the backstretch. After a half-mile was run, Desormeaux was able to ease back and come outside of Riley Tucker and the pacesetting Gayego. Riley Tucker finished last.

“It looked like (Prado) was just trying to keep our horse in a box, and not out to get the best finish out of his horse,” said Dutrow, who remarked he received a phone call from Riley Tucker’s owner, Ahmed Zayat, who told him he was upset by Prado’s ride. “It looked like he just did something to keep our horse in behind his horse, and he had to go out of his way to do it.”

"I got paid to win the race, not to pay favors," Prado said in a phone interview between races at Belmont Park.

Prado, a Hall of Fame jockey, was set to ride Big Brown in the horse's career debut in September but was injured two races beforehand. Big Brown's owners later chose Kent Desormeaux over Prado for his 3-year-old season.

"Edgar being with us so much, it looks like he did something just to keep our horse in behind the other horse," Dutrow said. "He had to go way out of his way to do it. So we're not real happy about that, either."

From ESPN.com and Bloodhorse. I found it interesting.

blackthroatedwind 05-24-2008 08:43 AM

Let me get this straight, Rick Dutrow, the trainer who ran two rabbits to physically harrass an opponent, is complaining because another rider rode his horse in a manner to possibly maximize his chances against a Dutrow trained runner? That's funny.

What Dutrow is really saying is that the rules mean absolutely nothing to him as he thinks any rider in a race that also rides for him should always be thinking about the best interest of Dutrow's runner(s) and not his own. There's something the stewards SHOULD ( but won't ) find very interesting.

Sometimes it helps to think about all the implications of what you say. I doubt that Dutrow really meant to imply the above, per se, but it is what he is saying....at least tangentally.

Dutrow should have left out his relationship with Prado, and pointed out ( accurately ) that Riley Tucker seemed to intentionally put him in tight. The fact that he doesn't like it because Edgar rides for him implies something very different.

Strategic Mission 05-24-2008 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Might not have been the best business decision for Prado, but good for him.

As for the jockey for Casino Drive, anyone else ask their father's trainer?

They use prado sometimes and his agent mentioned it. It is a partnership so the trainer doesn't work for my father just his partnership. They go see the horses on Saturday morning and that is just what they told him.

geeker2 05-24-2008 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Might not have been the best business decision for Prado, but good for him.

As for the jockey for Casino Drive, anyone else ask their father's trainer?


My Dad's Siegfried & Roy say its Edgar....

geeker2 05-24-2008 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
It will almost surely be Prado, Gomez, or Justin Dew.

LTIC :D

miraja2 05-24-2008 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
As for the jockey for Casino Drive, anyone else ask their father's trainer?

My father is completely untrainable.

philcski 05-24-2008 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Let me get this straight, Rick Dutrow, the trainer who ran two rabbits to physically harrass an opponent, is complaining because another rider rode his horse in a manner to possibly maximize his chances against a Dutrow trained runner? That's funny.

What Dutrow is really saying is that the rules mean absolutely nothing to him as he thinks any rider in a race that also rides for him should always be thinking about the best interest of Dutrow's runner(s) and not his own. There's something the stewards SHOULD ( but won't ) find very interesting.

Sometimes it helps to think about all the implications of what you say. I doubt that Dutrow really meant to imply the above, per se, but it is what he is saying....at least tangentally.

Dutrow should have left out his relationship with Prado, and pointed out ( accurately ) that Riley Tucker seemed to intentionally put him in tight. The fact that he doesn't like it because Edgar rides for him implies something very different.

It's funny that you mention that, of all the things that Dutrow has done in the past, that's the only one that really irked me (and I think I'm in the minority on here that thinks Dutrow is actually a good horseman and not all of his success is due to illicit activity). Perhaps it's linked to my fandom of Commentator and utter distaste for Saint Liam, but if he was "so confident in his horse" like he always said he was in SL, what was the need to run not one but TWO rabbits???

Danzig 05-24-2008 12:35 PM

i also found it a bit interesting that zayat would call dutrow about prado. doesn't make much sense to me.

ELA 05-24-2008 12:40 PM

I have no idea, however, Dutrow trains horses for Zayat. They know each other. He is a hands on, active owner. I don't see it out of the ordinary that he calls.

Eric

Danzig 05-24-2008 12:53 PM

well then i guess that explains it..


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:58 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.