Why, I am doing some homework and just wanted to comment. Think it is cool that is all...

I bet the damn 3 horse in that race and didn't have the exacta, moronic....

Silver Train was more a horse for the barn.....Dutrow's barn.

He was nothing before the trainer change.

Running here is hardly sporting.

This is why the actual "value" will be on me, even though I'll be a lower price. This is great.

The drive-thru closed early tonight?

From a breeding perspective I'm sure he'd be worth much more if he won some big races over here than in Japan. . . The purses there are huge but the competition is weak(er) and the breeding industry isn't as big. . .

That's true but he did run his best races on Belmont Park's main track.

I agree that Silver Train improved ten fold once he entered the Dutrow Jr. barn. We all know about Dutrows rep, the suspensions , etc. I just realized that July 2, 2005 race took place when Dutrow was on suspension. That was also the day when Offlee Wild won his Grade 1 race with Juan Rodriguez as the listed trainer.

How do you think Dutrow Jr does it? He improves the lowest of quality horses just as he does with top class horses. The detention barn is in place and his numbers are basically the same. He's won BC races. If he is as dirty as people say why doesn't he get caught with major raceday drug violations?

They can't detect everything. . .

Scuds knows but he wont tell me.

Is he that more clever than everyone?

I know people root against him and that's fine. I just think it's foolish if one allows their distain towards Dutrow Jr. influence their handicapping and wagering on races which he has horses entered.

You think he's the only one with mysterious move-ups, etc?

anabolic steroids are legal & considered to be a beneficial run-of-the-mill medication.

a little research shows painkillers are very popular

then we have chemicals that build your stamina like epo

and stuff we don't even know about.

if the barn and the investors have no moral objection, some of these outfits use everything possible

Of course not, I'm not that naive. I'm not saying he's doping his horses. It's rare to see a trainer equally adept at handling 10,000 claimers and horses who win Grade 1 races. He's not the first with this skill and he won't be the last.

I wouldn't call it skill. . .

Call it whatever you want. His record of winning races speaks for itself.

I'm not trying to be a wise guy here. I've asked the question about Dutrow Jr. that I posed in an earlier post a few times to various people but the answers are pure speculation that he is a cheat and gets away with it.


He's a tenth grade dropout and that does not imply that he is unintelligent. It's obvious he has above average ability in managing racehorses. I doubt he spent much time studying science in school.

I recall Steve Allday saying he is a cheater but where is the concrete proof.

Allday saying it is pretty good proof. . . But all you have to do is look at his horse's PPs to know something's up. . . And his record of positives. . .

Do you really think he's a better horseman than a guy like Mott?

Allday was Dutrow Jr's vet and they had a parting of the ways. After the breakup Allday calls in to Steve's show and made the claim that Dutrow Jr is dirty.

Why was he Dutrow Jr's vet for so long? What caused the parting of the ways?

Allday might be correct and I'm just playing devils advocate here. In four weeks there is a pretty good chance that Richard Dutrow Jr will join the select few who have trained a Triple Crown winner

1919 Bedwell
1930 Fitzsimmons
1935 Fitzsimmons
1937 Conway
1941 Jones
1943 Cameron
1946 Hirsch
1948 Jones
1973 Laurin
1977 Turner, Jr.
1978 Barrera
2008 ???????....Dutrow, Jr.

pure speculation doesn't get someone suspended repeatedly. dutrow was suspended for two separate drug violations, as well as a claiming violation, when st liam ran in the stephen foster-under bobby frankels name. then dutrow was suspended for violating terms of yet another drug suspension. google his name, you'll see for yourself. every year for at least the last ten, he's been in trouble-six states at least. then there's woodbine-he served a 14 day suspension for lying in an investigation about a horse he ran up there.
it's a lot of things, but speculation isn't one of them. dutrow has even said he deserved at least half of his suspensions. just because he isn't repentant doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Half of the dirt horses in America, KEE.