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Kasept

03-30-2008 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer

The one horse in the last race at Aqueduct was 4-1 when the gate opened, 7-2 at the half mile pole, and 3-1 down the stretch, while winning by a handful.

The 4-1 was the price BEFORE the flash when the gates open...

The 7-2 is the price BETWEEN the flash before the gates opened and at the opening of the gates...

The 3-1 is the price OFF THE FINAL TOTE FORCE which comes 10 seconds after the gates open...

Understand that these prices get into the television visual package in that order ONLY IF THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE RUNNING ORDER... The odds are NOT changing as the race is being run the way that visual makes it appear...

NO MNEY GETS IN THE POOL AFTER THE 10 SECOND FORCE..

fpsoxfan

03-30-2008 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everytime the issue is brought up you jump in with the same old, just shut down a minute before posttime. And everytime I repeat that they tried it but due to tremendous negative response, they stopped. So what makes you think that the same tremedous negative response wouldnt happen again? That is not even taking into consideration that the tracks almost never lose sight of the short term bottom line and how it would be negatively effected.

Not to mention the fact, how many times are the start of races delayed so that they can get to everyone in line. Like Chuck said, it was tried before and it SUCKED. And it will SUCK again if they decide to do this.

fpsoxfan

03-30-2008 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer

The one horse in the last race at Aqueduct was 4-1 when the gate opened, 7-2 at the half mile pole, and 3-1 down the stretch, while winning by a handful.

The odds in that race were dancing like crazy from the first flash to last flash.
I wouldn't go jumping to any conclusions. The one was a Paraneck firster who took a lot of money at first flash and I was a little surprised. I don't remembering it drifting as high as 4-1.

TheSpyder

03-30-2008 10:04 AM

I don't think you'll ever make everyone happy until Scavs develops his buzzer to close of betting. In the meantime just how big of a problem is it aside from banter on this forum. Closing off betting early will drive gamblers and handle away from your track and if you think everyone will agree to do it, think again. You can never do one thing and with your idea, you'll cause more negative than positive IMO

Spyder

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411

You and your buddy still haven't come up with a better solution, for now, until we can make everyone happy. :D

fpsoxfan

03-30-2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411

You and your buddy still haven't come up with a better solution, for now, until we can make everyone happy. :D

Who's not happy? I'm happy.

fpsoxfan

03-30-2008 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411

I'll stick to my guns anyway. And I could be wrong in the very short term. OK.
Scavs' sensor could be the answer.
My questions to you would be:
How quickly will the last second bets be processed, and all the pools be calculated ?
If no faster than the best of our current systems, will we still be hearing cries of outrage about the odds changing from start to finish ?

It does seem to be the logical option.

fpsoxfan

03-30-2008 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411

I find it odd, we all accept horse racing was more popular in the past.
Yet we don't have to go much more than a decade back to see we weren't able to place bets at our tracks or OTBs less than one minute before the gates opened.
Try getting your pick-6 ticket in with less than TWO MINUTES to post of the first leg, fifteen years ago on the NYRA circuit.Am I supposed to believe our sport is hanging on a thread only because we are allowed to wager up until the gates open ? :eek:

I remember that. Never really affected me too much, but I've never been a big pick-6 player. I don't think our sport is hanging on a thread because of wagering up to the gates open, but believe me it is a big pain in the butt.
I'm not sure where your from, but if you've ever been to Saratoga, check out the lines with 1 mtp. There would be a riot if they shut the windows down.

golfer

03-30-2008 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Steve, there is at least a 99% chance that all of the above is true, but can you speak with 100% certainty? Because if you can, you are privy to some information or computer programming code that I am not.
The bottom line is, just like with horsemen who want a level playing field, I only want all pari-mutual wagerers to have a completely level one as well. I don't care if you bet $10 or $10,000, NO ONE should have an advantage over another based on the tote system.
The problem, in my estimation, is the tracks have no financial interest in guaranteeing this, as they care not who wins and loses, as long as they get their $ off the top.

golfer

03-30-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

No conclusions drawn, just relating what I saw while betting on, then watching the race.

fpsoxfan

03-30-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Is it really a big deal to close betting before the first horse gets in the gate? I know people complained before, but people will always complain about something. I'm sure people will learn to adjust their betting to make sure they do not get shut out.

To many people it is. I know you've been to the Spa. Hoss, can you imagine what would happen 100's of people got shut out? Maybe you weren't playing yet when they tried this before. It was crazy. Sure, people for the most part could adjust but I'd rather not.

fpsoxfan

03-30-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Fair enough. The day we close off past posters for good, and still can't get a final odds calculation until the field hits the far turn will be OK with me too.

It's obvious you, and others here, think my solution is no good. That's OK.
None of you could show that allowing past-posting is better either. That's OK too.

You guys and s can assure you'll never hear from me again, on this subject, as long as I don't see anyone complain about how your horse, who was 5/1 at gate's open, only got you 7/2 at the window.Otherwise, I'll be all too pleased to remind everyone how you all got exactly what you wanted, instead of accepting the real world concept of lines.

I've seen it, but do we really think it's past posting? I've had it happen the other way as well when a horse I bet was 9/2 and ended up 5-1 after the race. Nobody complains aobut that.

fpsoxfan

03-30-2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Now you're talking about the incompetence and inability of any or all racetracks to provide a facility adequate to serve their customers in a timely fashion. They could double the betting machines and number of teller windows and people will still get shutout.
Whether it's Saratoga, Belmont, Aqueduct, Mars, or Jupiter I'm still gonna see people at a few windows when that bell sounds.

Not so fast. When I'm at Saratoga, many times I watch the horses walk past me by the clubhouse hedge. After they pass I make my final decision as to what I'm playing. Most of the time I use the SAM Machine in the Jim Dandy Bar, therefore I have time to make my wager and still have time to get to the rail. Many people wait longer. It's not the fault of the track. When you have 25,000 people at a track, a large % of those people are inexperienced, dumb, stupid, etc. when it comes to placing a bet. That slows lines down.

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