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Linny 09-17-2007 01:10 PM

Were the blessed event to occur, I thank God and Man o' War that I'd have to board nothing more exotic than my old jalopy in order to attend...assuming I could get seats.:rolleyes:

SniperSB23 09-17-2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saratogabrit
No I meant racefans. The average number of British and Irish that attend Breeders' Cup is now about 8,000 and that figure would go above 10,000 with more fans from Asia etc.

Albany is over 150 miles from the nearest Domestic/International Hub. Some foreigners will hire cars in Boston or New York or take the train up from Penn Station but the bulk will have to change planes in New York etc and they'll all be trying to get on the same flights that racefans from the US and Canada are trying to get seats on.

I'm sure Yankee Trails would work out a bunch of buses up from NYC to Saratoga for the BC. Plus the irony of a Yankee Trails bus full of Englishman would be delightful.

MisterB 09-17-2007 01:48 PM

We wouldn't go anyway, to cold. We like heaters and big screen tv's after Sept 3rd.

SentToStud 09-17-2007 02:01 PM

Why couldn't they just limit attendance at Saratoga? Really no big deal on the weather. Chance of bad weather can't be worse than Chicago or Toronto. There's no Gen Admission at Monmouth. What are they capping attendance at? I assume they capped attendence at Lone Star.

ARyan 09-17-2007 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
We wouldn't go anyway, to cold. We like heaters and big screen tv's after Sept 3rd.

I honestly hope that is a joke...

NTamm1215 09-17-2007 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Why couldn't they just limit attendance at Saratoga? Really no big deal on the weather. Chance of bad weather can't be worse than Chicago or Toronto. There's no Gen Admission at Monmouth. What are they capping attendance at? I assume they capped attendence at Lone Star.

As far as I know there is general admission at Monmouth for $50 but you have no seat. I could be wrong about that.

There was not an attendance cap at Lone Star, as the temporary seating expanded the overall capacity. Because of the location and the amenities available, it was not a popular destination for most people and so the attendance stayed so low.

The weather bug is always a tricky one, on BC day at Lone Star it started around 65 degrees but was in the mid-80s by the afternoon and that really drew the ire of out of town guests.

For those of you who were talking about out of town tellers also, I was a teller at Lone Star is 2004 and there were a bunch they trucked in from Gulfstream and other places. They paid them a flat rate and it was good.

For those of us who worked the full meet the daily pay was $500 for BC day.

NT

blackthroatedwind 09-17-2007 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie
It rarely reaches 90 degrees in Saratoga...maybe 2 days this Summer.


That's funny. God do I wish you were right....just this once.

Cajungator26 09-17-2007 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bystander
Someone obviously needs to tell you to "be nice." ;)

It was stinking hot this summer.

When I was up there, it just didn't feel that hot to me...

I live in Orlando, though... it's blasted hot here so anything below 90 feels like winter. :D

SentToStud 09-17-2007 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
When I was up there, it just didn't feel that hot to me...

I live in Orlando, though... it's blasted hot here so anything below 90 feels like winter. :D

The lowest it has gotten here since mid-May is 77 degrees. Once the low hits 70 deg, you'll see the down jackets in Ft Lauderdale and the fur coats in Palm Beach.

Cajungator26 09-17-2007 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
The lowest it has gotten here since mid-May is 77 degrees. Once the low hits 70 deg, you'll see the down jackets in Ft Lauderdale and the fur coats in Palm Beach.

It's kinda funny, though...

I actually like the cold weather. When I heard people complaining in Toga about how hot it was, I had to laugh. Florida feels a lot hotter to me, so it was a nice change up there for me.

boswd 09-17-2007 02:31 PM

If the Red Sox and MLB can hammer out the logistics of Fenway Park hosting the All-Star game. Then there is no reason The Breeders Cup comm. and NYRA can't figure out the logistics of Saratoga hosting the BC.

I'm not saying put it in the rotation but at least once, they can do it. There is no other track that deserves hosting more than Saratoga.

Ronnie 09-17-2007 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That's funny. God do I wish you were right....just this once.


That's funny. God do I wish you weren't a prick...just this once.

MisterB 09-17-2007 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd
If the Red Sox and MLB can hammer out the logistics of Fenway Park hosting the All-Star game. Then there is no reason The Breeders Cup comm. and NYRA can't figure out the logistics of Saratoga hosting the BC.

I'm not saying put it in the rotation but at least once, they can do it. There is no other track that deserves hosting more than Saratoga.

For some reason, I hear the words

Never happen

SentToStud 09-17-2007 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
It's kinda funny, though...

I actually like the cold weather. When I heard people complaining in Toga about how hot it was, I had to laugh. Florida feels a lot hotter to me, so it was a nice change up there for me.

I hear that. And, I won't wear my fur coat down here until it gets down to 65 degrees. I do have my standards.

fpsoxfan 09-17-2007 02:48 PM

I'd love to see the Breeders Cup in Saratoga. The logistics, the weather, and the lack of closed spaces are exactly the reasons why it doesn't happen.
Could many people brave a 50 degree day? Sure, but even 50 and sunny isn't always the case. That time of the year it could swing either way at least 20 degrees. Imagine 50,000 fans braving a 35-40 degree day? It's just too much of a risk to run it there. BOSWD, you know me, you, and many others could hack sitting out in the picnic area on a cool afternoon, but the majority of the people aren't going to want to do that. In regards to the weather this summer, I went to the track six times and five of those times it was at least 90 or better. Opening day and especially Whitney Day were quite warm and muggy. Drank a lot of beer. Good times.

saratogabrit 09-17-2007 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd
If the Red Sox and MLB can hammer out the logistics of Fenway Park hosting the All-Star game. Then there is no reason The Breeders Cup comm. and NYRA can't figure out the logistics of Saratoga hosting the BC.

I'm not saying put it in the rotation but at least once, they can do it. There is no other track that deserves hosting more than Saratoga.

My belief is that it is NYRA who would be at the top of the list of those who don't want Breeders' Cup to come to Saratoga.

What became more apparent in the past year was the affection that the local community in the Capital Region has for NYRA. That would be eroded if Breeders' Cup comes to town. Breeders' Cup takes over the show completely. $50 General Admission. Probably either not allowed to bring anything in or vastly limited. Concession prices ramped up 50-100%. The local community will feel completely frozen out and will blame NYRA.

saratogabrit 09-17-2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Why couldn't they just limit attendance at Saratoga? Really no big deal on the weather. Chance of bad weather can't be worse than Chicago or Toronto. There's no Gen Admission at Monmouth. What are they capping attendance at? I assume they capped attendence at Lone Star.

They can't limit attendance much below 45,000. The original criteria-they may have altered them in recent years-is that you should provide permanent/temporary seating for 45,000. I would think that would require the construction of around 30,000 temporary seats.

Bad weather would be an issue. There's so little inside space-especially in the Club House.

Pricing out the local community is also a big issue.

blackthroatedwind 09-17-2007 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I hear that. And, I won't wear my fur coat down here until it gets down to 65 degrees. I do have my standards.


Which animal?

Antitrust32 09-17-2007 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
When I was up there, it just didn't feel that hot to me...

I live in Orlando, though... it's blasted hot here so anything below 90 feels like winter. :D


it wasnt bad opening weekend, but the majority of the meet was extremely hot. Couple that with working in between a grill and a steamtable.. I was praying for rain most days but it never came.

By far the "hottest" Saratoga meet I've ever witnessed in the past 10 years I've been going.

Ya know its bad when you cant tell the difference between saratoga and florida some days!

SentToStud 09-17-2007 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Which animal?

faux jackazz.


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