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Bigsmc 03-21-2007 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
biancone has very nice 3 yr turf horse.... the name is, well i forgot the name but he ran Nov, 25 on that stars of tommorw card that churchill ran, he actually beat a pletcher horse and it might have been Twilight Meteor.

That's a wealth of information.

Come on, if you are going to throw up a post like that, at least look the race up and throw the actual names in there.

miraja2 03-21-2007 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
That's a wealth of information.

Come on, if you are going to throw up a post like that, at least look the race up and throw the actual names in there.

No way man! I totally remember the horse he is talking about. I think he MIGHT have been sort-of brownish in color. He also had 4 legs. I think.
I can't remember the name of the jock.......but he wasn't a very big guy I can tell you that.
Know who he means now?

ArlJim78 03-21-2007 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
No way man! I totally remember the horse he is talking about. I think he MIGHT have been sort-of brownish in color. He also had 4 legs. I think.
I can't remember the name of the jock.......but he wasn't a very big guy I can tell you that.
Know who he means now?

I saw that one! I liked him too. I think he will be one to keep an eye on later in the season.

Bigsmc 03-21-2007 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I saw that one! I liked him too. I think he will be one to keep an eye on later in the season.

How did he move on the track compared to his 2yr old sale video?

Sightseek 03-21-2007 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I have to assume that much of the hype surrounding this colt is pedigree-related.
Based on performance alone, he probably doesn't belong in anyone's top-5 derby horse lists. However, anytime a colt that is by FuPeg and out of a graded-stakes winning AP Indy mare wins ANY Derby prep, there is going to be more hype than there would be (and perhaps should be) for some horse with a different pedigree.
I put him on my top5-list in part for this reason. I don't think he is one of the top five 3yos in training right now overall, but in terms of having the ability to get 10f effectively, I think he is perhaps more likely to do that than others who may be more talented at say......8.5f.
Am I right? Who knows.

I really agree with this assessment...being in the hands of Pletcher certainly helps as well.

ArlJim78 03-21-2007 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
How did he move on the track compared to his 2yr old sale video?

I didn't see the sale video actually, but on the track he was great! He went in the right direction and made all the correct turns. Got him on my watchlist.

Sightseek 03-21-2007 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
No way man! I totally remember the horse he is talking about. I think he MIGHT have been sort-of brownish in color. He also had 4 legs. I think.
I can't remember the name of the jock.......but he wasn't a very big guy I can tell you that.
Know who he means now?

Oh yeah! And he had a tiny little saddle and one of those leather-thingies on his head...it's as clear as can be now! ;)

Sightseek 03-21-2007 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I didn't see the sale video actually, but on the track he was great! He went in the right direction and made all the correct turns. Got him on my watchlist.

If you didn't see the sale video to compare him to his movement a year later, you really have NO clue what you are talking about. ;)

Cajungator26 03-21-2007 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
If you didn't see the sale video to compare him to his movement a year later, you really have NO clue what you are talking about. ;)

None.

ArlJim78 03-21-2007 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
If you didn't see the sale video to compare him to his movement a year later, you really have NO clue what you are talking about. ;)

I seldom do.:o

King Glorious 03-21-2007 07:35 PM

I guess it's all irrelevant now.

SniperSB23 03-21-2007 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I guess it's all irrelevant now.

We can try and guess how many more career starts he has. I'll go with 2.

Cajungator26 03-21-2007 07:45 PM

But guys...

He really has done enough.

SniperSB23 03-21-2007 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
But guys...

He really has done enough.

If he wasn't Coolmore I'm sure Stonewall would stand him. I'd think Coolmore will bring him back to at least get a G2 on the resume before they tell us he's done enough.

King Glorious 03-21-2007 08:22 PM

The funny thing is that while I know people are being sarcastic when they say that a horse has done enough, I really feel like it's a true statement. I think u want to see that a horse has speed to win races, can develop fast enough to win early, and can win in graded company. Ravel has done all three. I don't think he's as good as some others but with his pedigree and what he's already done, what more is there really to prove?

King Glorious 03-21-2007 08:26 PM

I do like racing. I don't think this stuff is good for racing. Never said that. Just said that from the perspective of the breeders, I can understand.

miraja2 03-21-2007 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
The funny thing is that while I know people are being sarcastic when they say that a horse has done enough, I really feel like it's a true statement. I think u want to see that a horse has speed to win races, can develop fast enough to win early, and can win in graded company. Ravel has done all three. I don't think he's as good as some others but with his pedigree and what he's already done, what more is there really to prove?

How about the ability to run 4 races without having your legs break? Might that be an important trait to pass on to his progeny?


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