Bolt D`Old to Met Mile. If Army Mule and Backyard Heaven and a few other's show up, he should compete for 6th.

On a fast track he will whistle. No Justify in the Met Mile. Didn't like the mud.

I’ve secured a NO triple crown position at the price of -180.
has anybody else made a futures investment to date?

I think Diamond King underneath in the trifecta is the best value. Justify/ Good Magic, Quip and Diamond King or delete Quip from the tri and key Justify over Diamond King and Good Magic

Possibly, but I love that they are thinking outside the box. There have been 3-year-olds fairly recently that would have fit just fine in the MM and have no business at the 1 3/16 or 1 1/2 of the Preakness or Belmont. Pretty sure Practical Joke was in good enough form to finish 3rd last year. And Army Mule and Backyard Heaven are fast and fast risers, but not exactly known commodities.

I don't dislike the placement. Just think it will prove to ambitious.

Army Mule might be the biggest "if" in the history of horse racing. Has he worked since the Carter?

I think it's the right move for Bolt D'Oro.

Army Mule is half god, half horse.

I do hope he runs. He has a big following and i feel he would be way overbet. Especially if Justify is going for the triple crown and you see that recent 2nd in the pps. I would be totally against him if the expected players show up.

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And now officially out of the Met Mile.

Paul

I’ve watched the derby several times now and I’ve been focusing on Bravazo vs. Lone Sailor. If anyone sees it differently, please correct me — but Lone Sailor got to ride the rail the bulk of the race and Bravazo was out side the bulk of the race, including getting bumped early and possibly having to pull up on the horse to swing outside in the early going.

Despite a clearer path, Lone Sailor still finished a length behind Bravazo. So it seems like Bravazo might actually be a decent bet to pull off an Oxbow-like performance. Maybe he doesn’t win it but he’s almost sure to get an easier trip than what he faced in the Derby.

I’m thinking it may be a necessity to use Bravazo heavily in exotic wagers. His number will be high but his derby performance was better than what the finish indicates.

Moses, I thought that lone sailor had no place to go for much of the race . He had to fight through openings to pass those he passed. I was more impressed with his run.

Thanks. I’ve been back and forth on these two for a week now. I’ll watch it a few more times. It seems to me that Lone Sailor didn’t accelerate well when he finally did have an opening so it’s got me wondering if he had nowhere to go or if he just doesn’t have a strong move in him. My initial thought was that he was blocked in, but like I said, I’ve been back and forth.

There are a lot better betting races this Saturday, all over the US. I will just watch the Preakness.

any free PP's for preakness, thanks

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I took Medelssohn in the Derby (last)
Quip in the Preakness (last)

I'd be homeless very quickly counting on my racing plays to survive!

You bet Quip even after the Board Idiot endorsed him?

Says the Bored Idiot....
You’ve been sitting on that dunce cap after hours I see.

That Quip is a good "hoss"

Misquoted again. Get your facts straight Mo.
I said Quip has done nothing wrong. Didn't endorse him , say he was a good hoss, or even bet him.
Justify will win the triple crown. I believe we both cashed nice future bets on him in the derby and got paid well for knowing a superstar when we see one. That was at the beginning of March.

Overcoming Apollo and You in the same year should garner me a Beemie and an Eclipse

Says red board Freddy Mo

6/9/18 ~ Belmont Stakes (1 1/2M) Belmont Park

Justify (Baffert)
Bravazo (Lukas)
Tenfold (Asmussen)
Vino Rosso (Pletcher)
Blended Citizen (O'Neill)
Hofburg (Mott)
Gronkowski (C. Brown)
Free Drop Billy (Romans)
Restoring Hope (Baffert)

Audible (Pletcher)
Bandua (D. Weld)

Could you Justify an Appearance Fee ?
 

Winstar should be looking for a piece of the gate at Belmont. They would probably have to pay the ransom because it’s in their best interest.

Justify (Baffert)
Bravazo (Lukas)
Tenfold (Asmussen)
Vino Rosso (Pletcher)
Blended Citizen (O'Neill)
Hofburg (Mott)
Gronkowski (C. Brown)
Free Drop Billy (Romans)
Restoring Hope (Baffert)

Audible (Pletcher)
Bandua (D. Weld)

thats a nice lineup. Can make a case for a few of them. :)

...and why is he running a horse against himself?

He trains the horses. He doesn't own them (at least these). Owner Gary West wants to run Restoring Hope. And he's not a guy to argue with.

Hofburg feels like the massive wise guy horse.

Hofburg, Bravazo, Free Drop Billy, Tenfold, Vino Russo and Audible (if he even runs) are all about the same and can see any of them right there. They all are pretty good and are very similar styles. Think Hofburg will get money on him for sure.

Agreed, though I think he’s a serious racehorse.

I think Free Drop Billy sucks.

How is the likely second choice a wise guy horse.

As a wise guy, well before I sold out, I resent the constant misuse of this once respected term. It used to be that if you didn't know history, you were doomed to mislearn it from Hollywood...now it's from message boards.

I think that Blended Citizen might also be a candidate for that role having already won a race at Belmont (please note that I did not use the term "wise guy" :):D)

I get it. What would be your definition of “wise guy horse” though? Or do you think he’s the ML second choice, because I think Bravazo and Tenfold would definitely be in the mix for that?

everything I have read and already knew after Bill Mott said the Belmont was the plan for this one, he was already the wiseguy horse. If Vino Rosso goes he will be the the 1a wise guy horse

Sure it's a step up from his perfect trip against Core Beliefs, but I'll definitely pound the trifecta heavy using Blended Citizen in the bottom two rungs of all plays.

He was HARD ridden well before the final turn and didn't seem to make any headway until the whip came out in entering the stretch. He looked like he could run ALL day.

LFG!

A wise guy horse would be an off the radar longshot that the average player doesn't see....and a horse that frequently outruns its odds.

Hofburg had a brutal ride in the Derby...and was still running hard at the end. There’s definitely a lot to like but if he’s going off as the 2nd choice then I don’t know. I’d probably lean toward Tenfold and Blended Citizen as better values.

I’m an idiot on the “wise guy” definition then. I always had it as the horse that’s gonna take way more money than expected because the people with real $$ are gonna bet it down. Like My Boy Jack was the “wise guy horse” in the Derby, or like Shirocco was the “wise guy horse” in the 2005 BC Turf.