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horseofcourse 11-07-2011 11:20 AM

Is it pretty likely we see a LSU/Alabama national championship game?? I think Oklahoma can beat Ok State and Oregon can beat Stanford. If Boise didn't pass Alabama this week, they never will. Bama kicks field goals as well as Wisconsin plays hail mary defense.

King Glorious 11-21-2011 01:23 AM

So now we have LSU, Bama, and Arkansas as the top three teams in the BCS. If LSU beats Arkansas, it's a wrap basically and they will rematch with Bama in the title game. If Arkansas upsets LSU, it's going to be crazy. I would assume Arkansas would move up to #1 in that scenario. What happens to LSU? Do they fall to #2 or to #3, behind Bama, who they beat? If they fall only to #2, Bama is then left out even though they destroyed Arkansas earlier this year. Also, if they fall only to #2, we'd be looking at an Arkansas/LSU rematch for the title.....unless Arkansas gets upset by Georgia in the conference title game. Then we'd get an LSU/Bama rematch.

Confused? You won't be after the next episode of.......Soap.

Danzig 11-21-2011 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 819141)
So now we have LSU, Bama, and Arkansas as the top three teams in the BCS. If LSU beats Arkansas, it's a wrap basically and they will rematch with Bama in the title game. If Arkansas upsets LSU, it's going to be crazy. I would assume Arkansas would move up to #1 in that scenario. What happens to LSU? Do they fall to #2 or to #3, behind Bama, who they beat? If they fall only to #2, Bama is then left out even though they destroyed Arkansas earlier this year. Also, if they fall only to #2, we'd be looking at an Arkansas/LSU rematch for the title.....unless Arkansas gets upset by Georgia in the conference title game. Then we'd get an LSU/Bama rematch.

Confused? You won't be after the next episode of.......Soap.

if arkansas beats lsu, they would need a bama loss to leapfrog to first. bama owns the west tiebreak should ark win friday, and would move to the sec championship vs georgia if they win out.

the easiest thing for lsu would be a win friday, obviously. ark needs a win and help.
bama needs a win and loss by lsu to get to ga.
i have a hard time seeing, if bama and lsu both win, bama staying at number 2 since other teams in the top ten still have a championship game to play. hard to justify a team winning their conference, playing an extra game, not moving ahead of the tide.

Coach Pants 11-21-2011 12:45 PM

Roll Tide!! Haters gonna hate! F.uck you

somerfrost 11-21-2011 01:21 PM

Gotta believe that barring a huge upset, it will be LSU/Alabama II for the title.

BigBlue 11-21-2011 01:50 PM

Won't have to worry about Bama being in the equation after this Saturday.

War Eagle!

:)

King Glorious 11-21-2011 08:15 PM

I'm almost begging for a rematch between Bama and LSU and Bama winning just so I can hear all of the LSU fans cry about how it's not fair that they split and how LSU won in Bama and had to play in the conference title game. I still do not understand why LSU would have to beat Bama twice to be champion but Bama only has to beat LSU once. Makes zero sense to me.

Cannon Shell 11-21-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 819337)
I'm almost begging for a rematch between Bama and LSU and Bama winning just so I can hear all of the LSU fans cry about how it's not fair that they split and how LSU won in Bama and had to play in the conference title game. I still do not understand why LSU would have to beat Bama twice to be champion but Bama only has to beat LSU once. Makes zero sense to me.

Which is why a playoff set up is a no brainer except to the NCAA

King Glorious 11-28-2011 11:28 PM

I have a feeling that if LSU beats Georgia, they are going to get a share of the title no matter what happens in the title game. The AP voters aren't contractually obligated to vote for Bama if they win the title game like the coaches are. I think they'd vote LSU due to the strength of their whole season and beating Bama in Bama.

ddthetide 11-29-2011 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBlue (Post 819222)
Won't have to worry about Bama being in the equation after this Saturday.

War Eagle!

:)

ROLL TIDE! enough said.

clyde 11-29-2011 07:58 AM

Enough also said geaux tigers!!


I think 'Nana forgot to roll that day.

horseofcourse 11-29-2011 10:26 AM

this was the year when the gates finally were opened completely for Boise State to play for it, yet just like last year they missed a very short field goal against their only tough conference foe. Wouldn't have made the game last year, but certainly would have this year. OH well. I think LSU and Alabama are the two best teams without question, and I'm not sure why anyone would vote LSU number 1 if Bama beats them. It's not like the win by LSU was overwhelming by any stretch and if memory serves me, it was simply Alabama got a Boise State like field goal kicking performance which is why LSU won the game.

RockHardTen1985 11-29-2011 12:25 PM

I dont really want to see the rematch, but there is no possible way I want to see OK St vs LSU. OK ST loss was a lot worst then Bamas and I think Bama would be 14 point or more favorite vs OK ST right now. Hopefully Oklahoma beats them and we dont have to worry about it.

Clip-Clop 11-29-2011 12:51 PM

The issue could be UGA, they are really hitting on all cylinders and their style is so different from everyone that LSU has beaten up on all year it might make for an interesting game. Not saying they take it but they have a shot to really screw things up.

RockHardTen1985 11-29-2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 820770)
The issue could be UGA, they are really hitting on all cylinders and their style is so different from everyone that LSU has beaten up on all year it might make for an interesting game. Not saying they take it but they have a shot to really screw things up.

ESPN reported that LSU is in the National Championship game period. Even if they get upset by Georgia.

Clip-Clop 11-29-2011 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 820773)
ESPN reported that LSU is in the National Championship game period. Even if they get upset by Georgia.

As #2? Behind Bama?

King Glorious 11-29-2011 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 820758)
this was the year when the gates finally were opened completely for Boise State to play for it, yet just like last year they missed a very short field goal against their only tough conference foe. Wouldn't have made the game last year, but certainly would have this year. OH well. I think LSU and Alabama are the two best teams without question, and I'm not sure why anyone would vote LSU number 1 if Bama beats them. It's not like the win by LSU was overwhelming by any stretch and if memory serves me, it was simply Alabama got a Boise State like field goal kicking performance which is why LSU won the game.

Are you sure why anyone would vote Bama #1? Wouldn't they have split this year with LSU going into Bama's home field and beating them? How would Bama deserve it more? Maybe if Bama goes out and wins 27-7 or something. But a close win would tell me that the teams are just about equal and a split of the title would be appropriate.

Cannon Shell 11-29-2011 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 820773)
ESPN reported that LSU is in the National Championship game period. Even if they get upset by Georgia.

If the National Championship game is between 2 teams that didnt even win their conference....what more is needed to force a playoff system to be adopted and get rid of this scam?

wiphan 11-29-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 820794)
If the National Championship game is between 2 teams that didnt even win their conference....what more is needed to force a playoff system to be adopted and get rid of this scam?

I hope Georgia beats LSU. Bama and LSU play in the national championship game to a barn burning 12-9 game with 3-4 missed field goals with Bama winning. Georgia then getting crushed by someone outside of the SEC in a BCS game. That would be AWESOME! Then why don't we have all the past Heisman Trophy winners vote for who becomes National Champs. I think that would be the only fair way to settle it

dagolfer33 11-29-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBlue (Post 819222)
Won't have to worry about Bama being in the equation after this Saturday.

War Eagle!

:)

I missed this gem.

dagolfer33 11-29-2011 04:17 PM

One things for sure, if we beat Oregon, beat Bama twice, beat Arkansas, beat Georgia, go undefeated, then we will be the undefeated, undisputed, national and BCS champs this year. Any other scenario leaves some room for speculation. I would forewarn GA and Bama that Les still has at least a couple dozen crazy ass plays he has been waiting to use all year.

horseofcourse 11-29-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 820788)
Are you sure why anyone would vote Bama #1? Wouldn't they have split this year with LSU going into Bama's home field and beating them? How would Bama deserve it more? Maybe if Bama goes out and wins 27-7 or something. But a close win would tell me that the teams are just about equal and a split of the title would be appropriate.

HIghlight my last sentence instead of my second to last. I thought Alabama was better despite losing, it came down to 4 missed field goals to zero missed field goals that game. So yeah, LSU had better kickers than Bama and deserves the number 1 ranking. I just think the winner of the last game should be national champion. It's called the national championship game...sort of like I view the 2007-2008 NFL season, the Patriots went undefeated and beat the Giants in the regular season, but in the Super Bowl the Giants won and thus were the champions. I think the first game was played evenly enough that the second game should determine the champion. I think Bama would deserve it more because they won the game called the national championship game.

Cannon Shell 11-30-2011 09:39 AM

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...ate_bcs_112911

Crown@club 11-30-2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 820801)
I hope Georgia beats LSU. Bama and LSU play in the national championship game to a barn burning 12-9 game with 3-4 missed field goals with Bama winning. Georgia then getting crushed by someone outside of the SEC in a BCS game. That would be AWESOME! Then why don't we have all the past Heisman Trophy winners vote for who becomes National Champs. I think that would be the only fair way to settle it

If Georgia beats LSU, then either LSU or Alabama are out of the BCS bowls as you can't have more than 2 teams from 1 conference.

Clip-Clop 11-30-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 820977)
If Georgia beats LSU, then either LSU or Alabama are out of the BCS bowls as you can't have more than 2 teams from 1 conference.

I dont think that would make a difference if LSU stays at #2.

wiphan 11-30-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 820977)
If Georgia beats LSU, then either LSU or Alabama are out of the BCS bowls as you can't have more than 2 teams from 1 conference.

Not exactly true

If there are 2 teams from same conference ranked #1 and #2, but not the conference champ, they go to the NCG. And the conference champ (team #3) wins the conference champ and is granted a BCS game as well.

Ex: LSU plays Georgia for SEC title. If GA beats LSU (very close) the human and computer polls probably will drop LSU to #2, moving Bama up to #1. That gives the SEC the ranked #1 and #2 teams, and then GA is the SEC conference winner, making them BCS bound.

Crown@club 11-30-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 820981)
Not exactly true

If there are 2 teams from same conference ranked #1 and #2, but not the conference champ, they go to the NCG. And the conference champ (team #3) wins the conference champ and is granted a BCS game as well.

Ex: LSU plays Georgia for SEC title. If GA beats LSU (very close) the human and computer polls probably will drop LSU to #2, moving Bama up to #1. That gives the SEC the ranked #1 and #2 teams, and then GA is the SEC conference winner, making them BCS bound.

Whoops my mistake.....just had to read the next paragraph for eligibility. Carry on.

wiphan 11-30-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 820985)
Whoops my mistake.....just had to read the next paragraph for eligibility. Carry on.

Seems like a pretty big money scam if it would happen that way. 3 teams from the same conference in BCS games would mean a lot of $ to the SEC.

Crown@club 11-30-2011 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 820987)
Seems like a pretty big money scam if it would happen that way. 3 teams from the same conference in BCS games would mean a lot of $ to the SEC.

Assuming this scenerio thats $53 million.

Clip-Clop 11-30-2011 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 820987)
Seems like a pretty big money scam if it would happen that way. 3 teams from the same conference in BCS games would mean a lot of $ to the SEC.

Consider 4 of the actual (not ranked) top 6 are probably actually SEC teams it is not too bad...

ddthetide 11-30-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBlue (Post 819222)
Won't have to worry about Bama being in the equation after this Saturday.

War Eagle!

:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 820828)
I missed this gem.

did you expect anything less from a freaking barner?:rolleyes:

slotdirt 11-30-2011 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 821009)
Consider 4 of the actual (not ranked) top 6 are probably actually SEC teams it is not too bad...

Ok, I'll bite - who's the fourth?

Alabama and LSU are going to play in the "championship" game, but I will never be convinced Alabama deserves to be playing rather than a one loss conference champion. The fact that Alabama couldn't even win their own division should automatically disqualify them from playing in the nonsense BCS "championship" game.

Still, if LSU wins out, the BCS will move along, business as usual.

slotdirt 11-30-2011 08:32 PM

Also, bet you dollars to doughnuts that if LSU wins this weekend and Okie State figures out a way to really play strong against OU that the voters figure out a way to tighten up the divide between Ok State and Alabama. Maybe not enough to avoid the rematch like 2006 and 2007, but a lot closer than one would think.

Alabama is absolutely a great team, but their actual body of work just doesn't match up with Oklahoma State this year in terms of quality of opponents.

dagolfer33 11-30-2011 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide (Post 821039)
did you expect anything less from a freaking barner?:rolleyes:

...No, not really. It seems there is some denial about who the best two teams are in the country, and it is very clear. Now, we all know the system sucks. A playoff is the only thing that will fix it. What will be said when 4 of the final 8 teams left in the "playoffs" are from the SEC? It probably will happen more than not.

RockHardTen1985 11-30-2011 08:59 PM

OK ST is garbage, omg. Im so sick of hearing about them, they get beat as a 30 point favorite, recently. Why are we even talking about them? I would rather see Va Tech vs LSU then OK ST.

clyde 11-30-2011 09:46 PM

Mount Union rules!!



Roll Raiders!

horseofcourse 11-30-2011 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 821103)
Mount Union rules!!



Roll Raiders!

Yes, them and Wisconsin Whitewater are the entire SEC of division 3. They do playoffs actually to play for the championship every year. Crazy stuff those playoffs!! 6 straight years they've gone at it...stands at 3-3.

clyde 11-30-2011 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 821108)
Yes, them and Wisconsin Whitewater are the entire SEC of division 3. They do playoffs actually to play for the championship every year. Crazy stuff those playoffs!! 6 straight years they've gone at it...stands at 3-3.

Fine , knowledgeable work.


God I hate Wisconsin!!

ddthetide 12-01-2011 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 821108)
Yes, them and Wisconsin Whitewater are the entire SEC of division 3. They do playoffs actually to play for the championship every year. Crazy stuff those playoffs!! 6 straight years they've gone at it...stands at 3-3.

they are great programs and fun to watch in the playoffs!

Clip-Clop 12-01-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 821067)
Ok, I'll bite - who's the fourth?

Alabama and LSU are going to play in the "championship" game, but I will never be convinced Alabama deserves to be playing rather than a one loss conference champion. The fact that Alabama couldn't even win their own division should automatically disqualify them from playing in the nonsense BCS "championship" game.

Still, if LSU wins out, the BCS will move along, business as usual.

Right now, UGA belongs up there.
Bama cannot win their division because it is THAT division.


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