I'll take this as a yes. Hilarious.

You guys have no clue how to answer a simple question, which means there are likely different answers just as there are different answers as to whether the Bengals should fire Marvin Lewis. ateam is a complete simpleton who stated Marvin went 7-9, 8-8, 4-12 every season in Cincinnati and will for infinity because that's what he is. That is a flat out lie after I listed what he went every single season in Cincinnati. What would you simon's say if I stated Marvin went 11-5, and 10-6 all the time in Cincy?? It's ludicrous. You guys make ludicrous statements to bolster up how smart you are. I find it funny.

Hilarious?? Yes. There's George Carlin hilarious and three stooges hilarious. You and ateam fit where you fit. You're shemp and joe. You haven't quite yet reached Curly and Moe stage. Keep trying. (as a side note, I'm not saying I'm George Carlin as you will accuse me of, I am simply stating you're lesser stooges.)

football ateam/dahoss style...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ddO5ENtus

Someone's on tilt. It's funny, I haven't really paid much attention to you in years because you have a knack for saying really stupid things, often. Good to see nothing has changed.

I get it, you like to take the opposing side of an arguement, because you think you're some kind of expert in arguing. You're not. You're an idiot.

We live in a society now, where losing just isn't tolerated. You have to win or you aren't going to have your job for very long. Coaches know this, players know this and most fans seem to know it. I'm not sure why you don't, but as a fan of Cleveland sports, I understand why you are saddled with the loser mentality.

Lewis has gone 60-66-1 in his 8 years. He's made the playoffs twice and lost both games. Yes, he was an improvement from their last coach, but still not enough. Only a loser would look at his record and think he should stay as coach. Sometimes it's just time to move on. Lewis is an excellent defensive coordinator and might actually succeed somewhere else, but it's just not going to happen there.

I don't think Ateam has said Lewis should be fired for not winning a superbowl. I refuse to go back through this thread and read more of your idiocy, so I'm going with that premise. But he did say his overall record and 0 wins in the playoffs is enough reason. So your question about Rex Ryan doesn't really gel with the rest of the thread. It's you getting mad because you're bankrupt with ideas. But, the facts are Ryan has more playoff wins in one season (with a rookie QB) than Lewis has had. Jets are back in the playoffs in his second year. So far Ryan has been a tremendous success as a head coach. If they continue to perform and make the playoffs and get playoff wins, I see no reason for him to not have a job.

It's pretty simple....wins + playoff wins = job security

I used to love that game. If I remember correctly, the NY Giants were the only team that had someone that could block a field goal. That's my .02 on this thread.

As you were, gentlemen.

Obviously, there was a big difference with Cowher and even Ryan for that matter. Ryan won his first playoff game ironically it was against Marvin Lewis. Cowher won multiple playoffs games, division titles and made a superbowl in those 13 years.

Who set the bar of success at superbowl? Heck, Marty Schott has never been to a superbowl and i think he's great.

8 years and zero playoff wins and only two trips to the playoffs. Ryan surpassed that in his first year. I think Cowher did that by his second. As a matter of fact, I can't think of ANY coach that has been 8 years on the same team without a playoff win with no previous success.

If he goes the next three seasons without any playoff wins, they might chase him. That run last year bought him a lot of capital.

Ryan, one season, two playoff wins. Marvin, 8 seasons, zero playoff wins. What am I missing here?

Bo Jackson was a stud.

Sadly, for guys like us, that game was "state of the art."

Then again, I used to play this game for hours on end.:tro:

http://www.amazon.com/Arco-Toys-Ltd-.../dp/B00007MIBZ

:o

Madden has NOTHING on that game.

As clear as can be. But that bipolar assbag is still going to argue somehow.

Charlie Weis is leaving the Chiefs to be offensive coordinator at Florida? That one doesn't make much sense.

Del Rio stays

Mangini goes

Rumored to have trouble getting along with head coach Haley.

Well, it's still early and they have yet to play the Steelers and Ravens, but you know, the camp of the Bengals shouldn't fire Marvin Lewis stood at 1 on this board. :D

This is so true....:tro:



Mr. Rogers of Cleveland should go right after the final gun in Pittsburgh goes off.

He most likely won't,but God I hope so.

well, I was solidly in the camp of the Browns shouldn't fire Mangini as well. that move's paid off solidly!!

3-5 to end the season if they are lucky.

Why thank you. I take this sentence as a backhanded compliment which translated means..."Horseofcourse, I'll give you this one. You weren't 100 percent insane for thinking marvin Lewis shouldn't have been fired after the 2010 season...perhaps only 98 percent!"

and no...if they were real lucky, they'd go 8-0 to end the season. If they were just lucky they'd go 5-3 getting 1 of 4 against bal and pitt and also houston. Going 3-5 is just saying if they do as I expect they'll beat Cleveland, St Louis and Arizona and lose all the Baltimore and Pitt games. they really wouldn't have to get lucky at all to go 3-5 the rest of the way. I'm hoping they can also win one of the 4 against the big boys and also beat Houston perhaps and have double digit wins which I am certainly pulling for after this nonsensical thread last year!

Let's see if they make the playoffs before you start patting yourself on the back.

You're right. That is still probably a less than 50-50 shot with the 3 East teams and the two in the north. and a lot of their success is a mirage with close wins over INdy and Jax on their resume plus playing the NFC West is pretty much a guarantee of 3-1 in those games. that's a huge plus when playing those teams comes around. for now I'll gloat!

Aren't you one of our State Penn fans? Excuse me I mean Penn State. How are you feeling about that debacle and cover-up?

i didn't realize psu was a catholic school.

it'll be a shame to see joe pa go out this way, but i expect him to leave with what's coming out. heads should roll, and they will-already have started rolling.

This is really a mess. He should bite the bullet and step down. All these people involved in the cover-up are fathers themselves. Their lack of action is unfathomable.

This is terrible news, my first concern is for the victims. As a lifelong Penn State supporter I am heartbroken that such a thing could happen there and join the chorus of those demanding that the guilty parties be exposed and prosecuted. So far, it appears that Joe was not involved, he was approached by a graduate asst who allegedly witnessed an assault and Joe immediately reported same to his superior as the law dictates. The coverup apparently involves the AD and a university VP, both of whom will be charged tomarrow. We will see if there are more victims and more guilty parties, this story is probably just beginning.

I can't imagine not reporting that stuff to the police. Joe Pa needs to step down immediately. They are all cowards.

And the pedophile, if guilty, should be shot.

i dont think Joe Pa should be charged with a crime (the other two guys definatly should). But Joe Pa needs to resign regardless. He still knew and still didnt report it to the police.

And I dont understand how the Grad Assistant could witness such a thing and not break it up and call the cops on the spot. Too worried about his coaching future? screw him.

Lot of questions that need to be answered, I'm not so quick to pass judgement as you but time will expose those who are guilty and those not.

Really? If someone came to you and said one of your co-workers and friends for 30+ years was committing a sexual assault against a 10 year old boy in your office complex you would just tell the next person in charge? You wouldn't ask what was going on? He is not criminally guilty but he is so morally bankrupt and and his actions are beyond reprehensible.

have you read the grand jury indictment?

if you read that and still wont pass judgement, then I am very sorry for you.

Had the same thought.




Nothing against State Penn, but just seems like an obvious thought.

Yes I have...the questions still to be answered are exactly how this evolved. Certainly I would expect Joe to take immediate action and right now, it is unclear what exactly he did and what exactly he was told by the grad student. The state police conducted a long and thorough investigation which has thus far resulted in charges against one guy and soon to be filed charges against two more along with uncovering 8 victims (we all suspect there are more). Joe has thus far not been accused of criminal wrongdoing but the moral questions are many and must be answered. It is a rush to judgement to convict Joe of something not thus far supported by uncovered facts. The lid is off and if he has any role it will be uncovered and then I will stand with you demanding his resignation, but lets let the truth come out first.

if something like that was reported to me, i'd move heaven and earth to make sure that everyone was contacted that should be contacted. that's not a can you kick down the road.
i've always been a psu fan, joe is the only coach i've ever known there-he's been coaching longer than i've been on this planet.
but having read what i've read...it's a shame his career will end like this, and i'd never thought i'd say so, but joe needs to retire. but then, who thought something like this would come out? it's a disgrace, a complete and utter disgrace. that child deserved more, let alone the school, the students, etc. that's what it comes down to, that poor boy and who knows who else. disgusting, reprehensible. there aren't words to describe how awful this is.

I agree with everything you say, the only question is exactly what did the grad student tell Joe? I think we need to know that before deciding the appropriateness of Joe's actions. This is a young man who was possibly feeling enormous pressure and we don't know as of yet how he presented things to Joe....was it a case of, "I'm not sure what I saw but I'm concerned" or did he forcefully present details?

from everything I've read so far, I dont think Joe did anything criminally wrong. In fact, he may have, at first, done the correct thing by telling the A.D. and those guys (how he didnt call the cops when he realized no one else had is beyond my comprehension). But just because he knew, and the whole program dropped the ball, he needs to resign.

Here is a link to the Grand Jury indictment:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/13...mpid=125219969

Edit: It is very disturbing I didn't even make it through Victim 1.

As someone who works in a DI athletic department, I have to tell you that the administrators response doesn't surprise me in the least, although I would have expected better from someone who I thought was as classy as Joe Pa. DI coaches, especially football and basketball coaches, aren't expected to worry about anything but winning. I'm sure the AD told coach, "don't worry, we'll take care of it". The AD doesn't want ANY bad press about his department so he'll get his boss to sign off on burying this story and *hope* that it doesn't happen again on campus. I'm not surprised that the grad assistant and janitors didn't want to call police, no one wants to be the person to speak up in that situation because the fear is always there that you will lose your job and be black-balled. It is really hard to "do the right thing" if it can damage the reputation of a program - people think they'll be brought down as collateral damage.

I had an issue with our basketball program and while discussing it with an administrator I was told, "we're not going to bother coach with that, he just needs to worry about winning". Seriously? What ever happened to doing the right thing? College athletics is a business, ends justify the means.

I'm proud of you baby.....don't punish me anymore by being a stranger.






OOOOOOOOOO

It's the biggest disgrace in the history of college sports. Everyone should be gone starting with Paterno. I'm actually an alumnus of the school. I'm extremely embarrased as I loved the team and was a big fan of Paterno. I believe he knew something as early as the late 90s which was a big part of driving Sandusky out, and once Mcquery saw what he saw for Paterno and Curley and all of them to let that ass go is a disgrace to humanity. For anyone who has ever had kids to let this go as Paterno did and the school president and athletic director is horrid. I guess criminally Joe did nothing wrong, but the whole thing as someone who went there creeps me out to the extreme. The 2nd mile program was heavily promoted and lots of charity events going to it and now knowing it was a front for Sandusky's criminality is horrifying to me. I'm embarrased to be associated with the school. It's simply another in a long list in history of the coverup being as bad as the crime...in this case it is. Penn State copied the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy of just moving the criminal along and doing absolutley nothing simply to protect some crappy legend or something and children become a silly little distraction way, way down on the list. I certainly don't think Joe knew for the majority of Sandusky's tenure, but toward the end it appeared lots of crap was coming out and they absolutely knew which is why Sandusky "resigned"....I think McQueary became part of the firm and wanted to remain part of the firm forever. He's the one on the staff who actually saw it happen. the corporation rules and protecting it is first and foremost. Idiots. Just another example of the ruthlessness of our country and what it has become. the corporation is first and foremost the priority. Individual persons are simply crap. that is how Penn State viewed those minor children, not nearly as important as the corporation. citizen's United baby...that is the country we live in and this Penn State crap is all interelated with all that stuff. IF you have power in this country you can get away with absolutely anything at all. Joe Paterno will be in the press box Saturday. Book it and that's a shame. Dick Cheney will be smiling venom on some TV show selling books, and when his treachery is done Barack Obama will be pulling in a million per speech. Some dimwit selling weed on the street will go to prison. Cool.

Bully for you...you said many right things.



But your place is tarnished, in the sense of any tortish thing, just as any school is.Some just haven't been caught.We here at Ohio State enjoy lying to keep getting new contracts worth millions if we make our fans giddy with happiness.The ncaa enjoys raking it in for big schools,but they must keep the facade of righteousness alive.



Humans,on the whole, are fundamentally flawed...some more so than others.It's the latter who really make it tough on their victims.Your analogy to the Catholic church is admirable.



God losses many points in this one; for many reasons.