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SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Kershaw got squeezed by a bad ump. The first 4 innings he was untouchable until the umps stopped calling strikes.

Stop your whining. The Dodgers have a lot of good players and will be good for awhile.


Dont forget Scuds, Kershaw is 21. The youngest regular starter in baseball. He will get even better. The command will get better as it always does with guys with his stuff.

He led MLB in hits allowed per 9 innings. CK had a 2.78 ERA in 31 starts. in 171 innings he allowed 119 hits. He struckout 185 batters in 171 innings. He only allowed 8 Hr's all year. The guy is one of the two or three top young pitchers in the game. Try being an Astros fan.

Another Philly pet bitch. Stop excusing the guy's lack of nad. He's a scared choke with good stuff. We collect them. He's got the stuff to pitch like he did against the Rocks in game 161. He didn't do it in any of the opportunities in the post. He was lucky St. Louis didn't destroy him. He wasn't challenging people that day, either. He is scared. Honeycunt is mediocre (just for Danzig, I'll say "very mediocre.") There were no dominant pitching efforts by his students in the post. We need somebody with more in that spot. That tentative pitching by his students in the post should be proof that he is not the one to teach a future ace. He will continue to produce candy a-s-s types like Brox n' Billingsley. That's where Sandy Ker Gone is headed. He will get better with his stuff, but he will not be quite what he should be, and he will choke in the post. Look..You call it whining, but look at these pitching efforts in the post. Ker had no control in either effort. Randy struggled early on with control, and seems to always struggle with that. Give Kuroda a pass, because he is probably not telling the truth about his health. He certainly had no idea where the ball was going (none.) Padilla isn't Honeycunt's student. Sherril certainly had virtually no control. There is a theme (pitchers choking in the post.) Seems obvious that this is not the guy to be in their ear. He certainly has done zero zip nada to get Brox to challenge people with his best stuff early in the count. I just see pitchers acting scared under this pitching coach. You know, this was a scared junk pitcher when he was pitching here. He is the last one to be teaching men how to compete on a pitching mound. Your boy Sandy Ker Gone better get a new teach, or you're gunna keep talking about post-season potential (instead of actual post-season results.) Look!! One time. Does Brox have a ton of talent? Fk yea. Does Billingsley? Fk yea. Does Kuroda? Oh fk yea. Ask the Cubs about these three. Does Sandy Ker Gone have talent? Oh, si senor!! Well, they are all choking in the post, and all have the same teacha. What about the skinny tall brotha? They managed to f him up, too. That's 5 guys that are under-producing. At least one should be a post-season ace. They aren't. The only guy pitching to his ability is Randy, and (like you said) he isn't that good.

MaTH716 10-22-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Who do you think was the best baseball team from this past decade?

Is it this year's NY Yankees?

My vote goes to the 05 White Sox slightly over this year's Yankees.

Is this an attempt at a reverse mush?
If it's not, could we please let them win first before we coronate them?

Gander 10-22-2009 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Is this an attempt at a reverse mush?
If it's not, could we please let them win first before we coronate them?

No, and I dont believe in mushes or reverse ones. This is very close to being a perfect team. Good for you.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Remember... Dodgers were supposed to have the best bullpen in baseball

You didn't see me write that. Should ignore what these mouths on T.V. keep saying. They don't watch these teams like each day. They just read up on them. It's like when they say the Dodgers haven't lost that many games in the 9th when Brox has come in. No, he often gets out of the inning with a tie game. That's acceptable to this woman. Then, they lose in extras. Hell, you've seen this guy blow the pivotal game 4 the last two years in the NLCS. How the fk do they call that the best bulley in the National League? They go by the regular season stuff. Well, the Dodgers are made for winning in the regular season. It's just not the same as being made for the post.

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Who do you think was the best baseball team from this past decade?

Is it this year's NY Yankees?

My vote goes to the 05 White Sox slightly over this year's Yankees.

2007 Red Sox.

The best regular season team was hands down the 2001 Seattle Mariners

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
No, and I dont believe in mushes or reverse ones. This is very close to being a perfect team. Good for you.

The Yankees are good but you have tremendously overrated them

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 09:07 PM

The bad umpiring continues

MaTH716 10-22-2009 09:13 PM

Well look who decided to show up.

MaTH716 10-22-2009 09:16 PM

Lackey is probably tearing that locker room to shreds.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 09:16 PM

That 1st pitch from Oliver was quite special. That is the 1st post season hit Tex has ever had with men in scoring position. Isn't that right? He's finally done it.

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 09:16 PM

Thats what happens when you need 4 outs in an inning

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Thats what happens when you need 4 outs in an inning

So true.

mark2061mn 10-22-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Thats what happens when you need 4 outs in an inning


Yeh, the umps never call balls that are 6 inches off the plate strikes right? It all evens out.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mark2061mn
Yeh, the umps never call balls that are 6 inches off the plate strikes right? It all evens out.

LOL...How you gunna even that inning out?

MaTH716 10-22-2009 09:30 PM

I can't believe that Girardi is the patient one for going to the pen tonight. After the leadoff hit for Mathis I thought for sure that Burnett was coming out.
For the record, I thought that Lackey deserved to pitch to at least Texieria. (I know total 2nd guess).

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mark2061mn
Yeh, the umps never call balls that are 6 inches off the plate strikes right? It all evens out.

Get real. If you can't see the effect that horrible call had on the game than you need to take off your Yankee colored glasses. Bad calls may even out over the course of the season but since the Angels only have 2 more innings left in theirs because of the latest tragic call, it probably wont "even out" will it?

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 09:31 PM

I think it's worse to force someone to get 4 outs than it is to keep someone from seeing another pitch. Ethier was called out in the top of the 9th in game 4. That was not a strike, but I don't think it was nearly as bad as that Lackey strike not being called.

MaTH716 10-22-2009 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I think it's worse to force someone to get 4 outs than it is to keep someone from seeing another pitch. Ethier was called out in the top of the 9th in game 4. That was not a strike, but I don't think it was nearly as bad as that Lackey strike not being called.

I thought it was a strike. It was almost as if the ump was looking curve and he, like Posada was totally fooled by the pitch.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 09:37 PM

Lackey was tiring. If he'd of gotten that strike, then it's not an issue. I've seen him lose his concentration when he's both angry n' tired. It gets ugly, and that's why Scioscia got him out of there. That's a choke pitch from Oliver. I think it's the right move, but people need to pitch. Lackey usually tires in the 6th, or 7th.

MaTH716 10-22-2009 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Lackey was tiring. If he'd of gotten that strike, then it's not an issue. I've seen him lose his concentration when he's both angry n' tired. It gets ugly, and that's why Scioscia got him out of there. That's a choke pitch from Oliver. I think it's the right move, but people need to pitch. Lackey usually tires in the 6th, or 7th.

I thought he deserved the benifit of the doubt, especially after the way he pitched. I would rather lose with my ace than with an almost 40 year old retread (granted he had a nice season).
And yeah that was a hangin puss ball he lobbed in to Texieria.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Kershaw got squeezed by a bad ump. The first 4 innings he was untouchable until the umps stopped calling strikes.

Stop your whining. The Dodgers have a lot of good players and will be good for awhile.


Dont forget Scuds, Kershaw is 21. The youngest regular starter in baseball. He will get even better. The command will get better as it always does with guys with his stuff.

He led MLB in hits allowed per 9 innings. CK had a 2.78 ERA in 31 starts. in 171 innings he allowed 119 hits. He struckout 185 batters in 171 innings. He only allowed 8 Hr's all year. The guy is one of the two or three top young pitchers in the game. Try being an Astros fan.

He loses it(control) a lot, but mainly he is inefficient. He has one of those types on the page. Choose one.

http://www.answers.com/topic/inefficiency

Economic Inefficiency, I guess.

MaTH716 10-22-2009 09:44 PM

Horrible, way ahead in the count and he has swung at every pitch in the dirt during the whole series. So they grove a fastball down the middle.

MaTH716 10-22-2009 09:47 PM

Got to give the Halo's alot of credit. They could have rolled over and died. If they are able to hold on and win this game they will be going back east with lots of MO.

ateamstupid 10-22-2009 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Horrible, way ahead in the count and he has swung at every pitch in the dirt during the whole series. So they grove a fastball down the middle.

That was unbelievable. Then after Morales looks pathetic on the first pitch curveball, they go back to fastballs. Then after he gives the Angels the lead, they promptly go back to the curve and embarrass Izturis. Those runs were so avoidable.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 10:01 PM

Chambermaid hanging pitches....LOL...Philly has got to be loving it.

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
He loses it(control) a lot, but mainly he is inefficient. He has one of those types on the page. Choose one.

http://www.answers.com/topic/inefficiency

Economic Inefficiency, I guess.

When he cuts down the walks and trusts his pitches more he will be Sandy freakin Koufax.

SniperSB23 10-22-2009 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The best regular season team was hands down the 2001 Seattle Mariners

No cheating, name their starting lineup. I was pretty surprised when I just loked it up.

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 10:04 PM

McCarver says he's gotta trust Posada as the camera closes in on Joba shaking Posada off!

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
No cheating, name their starting lineup. I was pretty surprised when I just loked it up.

Dan Wilson
Olerud
Harold reynolds?
Carlos guillen
Mark McLemore
Pasqua?
Buhner?

MaTH716 10-22-2009 10:07 PM

Chamberlain wants out of this game

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 10:09 PM

How did I forget Edgar M and Ichiro???
And roids version of Boone

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2009 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
When he cuts down the walks and trusts his pitches more he will be Sandy freakin Koufax.

Didn't they say Brox n' Billingsley just needed to mature? They didn't. Maybe they would in a more professional situation. That's my point. This here finishing school ain't cutting it. I'm not saying he wouldn't be an ace somewhere else. He probably would be.

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Chamberlain wants out of this game

Joba may need Jobe

He isnt the same guy after he hurt his arm

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Didn't they say Brox n' Billingsley just needed to mature? They didn't. Maybe they would in a more professional situation. That's my point. This here finishing school ain't cutting it.

Brox needs a little movement or a change up. Billingsly needs to get healthy

MaTH716 10-22-2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Joba may need Jobe

He isnt the same guy after he was made a starter and sucked so then they tried to put him back in the bullpen.

FTFY

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
FTFY

His pitches are very ordinary now, dont have any bite.

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 10:19 PM

Let's see what Fuentes throws Arod. See if the Scavs theory is in effect.

Cannon Shell 10-22-2009 10:20 PM

I guess they thought better of it

MaTH716 10-22-2009 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
His pitches are very ordinary now, dont have any bite.

He used to have wicked stuff, but then they stretched him out and he's lost it. Not to mention his confidence/swagger.
Hughes hasn't been to good either in the playoffs and I believe that Girardi's faith is starting to waver in them (hence him staying with Burnett for as long as he did). There are definitely some chinks in the armor.

MaTH716 10-22-2009 10:22 PM

Did he really pinch run for A-Rod?


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