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SentToStud 10-31-2006 03:26 PM

by the way... my email to Andrew Beyer...
 
Mr. Beyer,
I read your article regarding Darley, "Call it Checkbook Horsemanship," with interest. While I found the article interesting, I am disappointed in your use of the word "vulgar" to describe the appearance of the actions of the Maktoums. While I believe there is arguably some merit in providing background on the source of the Maktoum wealth, I, as I expect did many readers, took exception and offense to your choice of words.

Sincerely,
Bruce ********
Plantation, Florida
954-***-****

Cunningham Racing 10-31-2006 03:28 PM

An Andy Beyer post that is negative in nature....thats a new one :rolleyes:

Cajungator26 10-31-2006 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I'm a victim too!!!

*cries*

LMFAO!!! :D

blackthroatedwind 10-31-2006 03:33 PM

Any columnist that is not illiciting strong responses, either or both positive and negative, is not doing his or her job.

SentToStud 10-31-2006 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I gave you the definition in my first response....as did another poster.

I am also curious as to why you believe Beyer should or will respond to your e-mail. Is he, or any writer, under some sort of obligation?

Of course he is not obligated to either read or respond. Nor would I expect he would.

Don't see your offering as the "use of the word" listed nor is it one of the listed synonyms...

from Dictionary.com:

vul‧gar  /ˈvʌlgər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[vuhl-ger] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. characterized by ignorance of or lack of good breeding or taste: vulgar ostentation.
2. indecent; obscene; lewd: a vulgar work; a vulgar gesture.
3. crude; coarse; unrefined: a vulgar peasant.
4. of, pertaining to, or constituting the ordinary people in a society: the vulgar masses.
5. current; popular; common: a vulgar success; vulgar beliefs.
6. spoken by, or being in the language spoken by, the people generally; vernacular: vulgar tongue.
7. lacking in distinction, aesthetic value, or charm; banal; ordinary: a vulgar painting.
–noun 8. Archaic. the common people.
9. Obsolete. the vernacular.


—Synonyms 1. unrefined, inelegant, low, coarse, ribald. See common. 3. boorish, rude. 6. colloquial.

blackthroatedwind 10-31-2006 03:37 PM

From the American Heritage Dictionary...


Ostentatious in appearance or quality; pretentious.

Example in the disctionary....." a vulgar display of wealth ".


Just to be clearer....


Ostentatious....

Pretentious display meant to impress others; boastful showiness




Just to be clear...I assume you realize words can and often do have several meanings.

Cajungator26 10-31-2006 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
From the American Heritage Dictionary...


Ostentatious in appearance or quality; pretentious.

Example in the disctionary....." a vulgar display of wealth ".


Just to be clearer....


Ostentatious....

Pretentious display meant to impress others; boastful showiness




Just to be clear...I assume you realize words can and often do have several meanings.

Dammit, this is a VULGAR post! :eek: J/K :D

SentToStud 10-31-2006 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
From the American Heritage Dictionary...


Ostentatious in appearance or quality; pretentious.

Example in the disctionary....." a vulgar display of wealth ".


Just to be clearer....


Ostentatious....

Pretentious display meant to impress others; boastful showiness

Just to be clear...I assume you realize words can and often do have several meanings.


Just how far down the list is this use of the word?

What are those listed above/before it?

Tell you what, go ask the next 10 people you talk to what they think "Vulgar" means." If any of them come up with that, I'll .....

Holding my breath, Phone ringing!!!. "Bruce, it's Mr. Beyer on line 5."

2MinsToPost 10-31-2006 03:53 PM

the question begs to be asked so I will ask it with clarification off the bat - I am not inciting an ongoing "fight" nor suggesting what ones views are based on their posts on here, this is the internet after all. with that said..............

would this be an issue if the family was born in the Good Ole' USA?

Their money is as good as anyone else's, it'll spend at Wendy's and it will buy horses.

Cajungator26 10-31-2006 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
the question begs to be asked so I will ask it with clarification off the bat - I am not inciting an ongoing "fight" nor suggesting what ones views are based on their posts on here, this is the internet after all. with that said..............

would this be an issue if the family was born in the Good Ole' USA?

Their money is as good as anyone else's, it'll spend at Wendy's and it will buy horses.

If I bought horses in the manner that the Sheik's do, it would be considered a vulgar display just as much... JMO. They are free to do whatever they like and I have nothing against them for it... that's just how it is.

blackthroatedwind 10-31-2006 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
Just how far down the list is this use of the word?

What are those listed above/before it?

Tell you what, go ask the next 10 people you talk to what they think "Vulgar" means." If any of them come up with that, I'll .....

Holding my breath, Phone ringing!!!. "Bruce, it's Mr. Beyer on line 5."


So now your defense is that it isn't the first or second definition of the word that was offered?

A simple " I guess I misunderstood " would have sufficed.

I'm just glad we could clear things up for you. Feel free to check in any time in the future you are unclear as to the meaning of a word or phrase.

SentToStud 10-31-2006 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
So now your defense is that it isn't the first or second definition of the word that was offered?

A simple " I guess I misunderstood " would have sufficed.

I'm just glad we could clear things up for you. Feel free to check in any time in the future you are unclear as to the meaning of a word or phrase.

Well, you apparently feel the need to declare victory. That's not a big surprise. Y

ou choose to refuse to believe that people could be offended by his poor choice of words or, alternatively, you will defend blindly. Noone with anything other than misguided loyalty would read the sentence and paragraph (context, sir) and come up what you've commented. It's also more than a bit disingenuous for you to have parsed out the only portion of the Am Hert definition that you could remotely use to defend the indefensible.

That's ok. As far as what "would have sufficed," I suppose you could have gone through all the definitions of the word listed and said, "I'm sure he didn't mean this. Or this... Or this either. You could have kept going until you could say, 'THIS is what he meant.'" But no.

blackthroatedwind 10-31-2006 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
Well, you apparently feel the need to declare victory. That's not a big surprise. Y

ou choose to refuse to believe that people could be offended by his poor choice of words or, alternatively, you will defend blindly. Noone with anything other than misguided loyalty would read the sentence and paragraph (context, sir) and come up what you've commented. It's also more than a bit disingenuous for you to have parsed out the only portion of the Am Hert definition that you could remotely use to defend the indefensible.

That's ok. As far as what "would have sufficed," I suppose you could have gone through all the definitions of the word listed and said, "I'm sure he didn't mean this. Or this... Or this either. You could have kept going until you could say, 'THIS is what he meant.'" But no.

Bababooyee offered the exact same definition in his interpretation and response to you, so clearly I am not the only one that sees it that way. Interesting that you have only argued with me and, apparently, pretended his similar disagreements don't exist. Another poster, Cajungator, expressed similar thoughts.

You also should at least entertain the possibility that I am in a position to know what he meant. I may well have asked him.


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