Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 768310)

mumble, mumble, mumble - babble babble babble - blah, blah

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 768307)

its hard not to be abrasive here...especially the crap that qualifies for betting knowledge....then again some one has to stir the pot. then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....this is bandwagon central....thats part of the reason i'm abrasive(i don't follow the lemmings). how many times have you seen me say...."this horse can't lose"...or the classic....."the rest are running for second". this is horse racing, there is no such thing as "superman" or "santa claus". almost every horse can and will lose at some point. i'll give credit where its due though....hes absolutely right you can't bet uncle mo at under 10-1....but somehow he gives the horse an almost 20% chance of winning...makes perfect sense in the derby trail world.....i just have trouble reading and digesting the hype. people are right this crap is useful....it builds confidence......lol. that horse probably has a 20% chance of missing the top 4....so hes right there too. i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion. people just hate that.....you think i don't know i'm a pain in the ass too.....lol. i try to make people think for themselves which is the key to success when you are gambling on anything!!!!!! you can be a "fan" all you want and you'll lose all the time too. i've been reading here since the big brown is the best dilemma of 2008....lol

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 768316)

FTFY.

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 768307)

then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 768307)

i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion.

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 768307)

its hard not to be abrasive here...especially the crap that qualifies for betting knowledge....then again some one has to stir the pot. then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....this is bandwagon central....thats part of the reason i'm abrasive(i don't follow the lemmings). how many times have you seen me say...."this horse can't lose"...or the classic....."the rest are running for second". this is horse racing, there is no such thing as "superman" or "santa claus". almost every horse can and will lose at some point. i'll give credit where its due though....hes absolutely right you can't bet uncle mo at under 10-1....but somehow he gives the horse an almost 20% chance of winning...makes perfect sense in the derby trail world.....i just have trouble reading and digesting the hype. people are right this crap is useful....it builds confidence......lol. that horse probably has a 20% chance of missing the top 4....so hes right there too. i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion. people just hate that.....you think i don't know i'm a pain in the ass too.....lol. i try to make people think for themselves which is the key to success when you are gambling on anything!!!!!! you can be a "fan" all you want and you'll lose all the time too. i've been reading here since the big brown is the best dilemma of 2008....lol

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 768307)

its hard not to be abrasive here...especially the crap that qualifies for betting knowledge....then again some one has to stir the pot. then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....this is bandwagon central....thats part of the reason i'm abrasive(i don't follow the lemmings). how many times have you seen me say...."this horse can't lose"...or the classic....."the rest are running for second". this is horse racing, there is no such thing as "superman" or "santa claus". almost every horse can and will lose at some point. i'll give credit where its due though....hes absolutely right you can't bet uncle mo at under 10-1....but somehow he gives the horse an almost 20% chance of winning...makes perfect sense in the derby trail world.....i just have trouble reading and digesting the hype. people are right this crap is useful....it builds confidence......lol. that horse probably has a 20% chance of missing the top 4....so hes right there too. i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion. people just hate that.....you think i don't know i'm a pain in the ass too.....lol. i try to make people think for themselves which is the key to success when you are gambling on anything!!!!!! you can be a "fan" all you want and you'll lose all the time too. i've been reading here since the big brown is the best dilemma of 2008....lol

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 768310)

Finally, as for taking great offense to R Heat Lighting winning the Derby. I did no such thing. It's a preposterous idea, and I let you know it. Just because I posted an opinion (a true rarity!) that was sharply different than yours, doesn't mean I took offense.

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 768366)

I'm done with this. . . but you're still confused. I NEVER said R Heat Lightning could win the Derby. I said the opposite. You do realize I wasn't the one who originally had that discussion with you, right?

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 768368)

Yes, I do realize that.

Yet, you keep bothering me about my saying that R Heat Lightning can't possibly win the Derby.

Maybe your confusion has confused me.

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 768372)

I'm bothering you because of your insulting and laughably inaccurate conclusions about me. . . I could not care less about your opinion on an actual horse race.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 768383)

It's too bad Da Hoss was gelded. I would have had fun "joking" about his offspring. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 768366)

You do realize I wasn't the one who originally had that discussion with you, right?

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 768386)

The irony in this is I never said that R Heat Lightning could win. I do think you have to consider running though, at least if you own her, given how lame every other prep has looked so far.

Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 768386)

The irony in this is I never said that R Heat Lightning could win. I do think you have to consider running though, at least if you own her, given how lame every other prep has looked so far.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 768397)

No. The irony is that all I said was that she would get slaughtered in the Derby.

Then, I said she would be a worse fit than either Brethren or that Illinois Derby winner. Apparently, that must mean that I was giving out the exacta, or something.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 768399)

No, that just means that your opinion, in this case, is s.hit.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 768400)

Maybe with Joe Vann. Brethren would most likely finish ahead of R Heat Lightning in the Derby.

And let's be clear on this. I am no fan of Brethren, and thought he was overrated from the get go.

My entire point in saying that was to say that the Derby is an absolutely horrific fit for that filly.

It is astonishing that people don't see that.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 768401)

This is the problem with this entire thread, which I was dumb enough to read all of. You're taking your opinion and then insulting anyone who disagrees with it. You think she'd be a bad fit, some have disagreed, it's perfectly OK for there to be differing viewpoints.

There's something that needs to be mentioned in every discussion on this message board about the Derby. We have just been treated to seven of the worst Derby preps in the last 20 years. There has been very, very little to like about any of them (Wood-Spiral-Sunland Derby-Fla Derby-Wood-Ill Derby-SA Derby). In that time period there was a pretty damn good performance by a filly.

There are plenty of factors that go into whether she could be competitive in the Derby. They should be weighed by her connections. No one is saying she should go or would be a great fit, but hell, there's no way I'd completely dismiss it if I owned her.