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Antitrust32 04-26-2010 03:13 PM
What do people think of Setusko (sp?) if he happens to draw in? He could be my longshot pick if he gets in..

randallscott35 04-26-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 639965)
What do people think of Setusko (sp?) if he happens to draw in? He could be my longshot pick if he gets in..
Time running out fast for him to get in.

tector 04-26-2010 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 639964)
Sidney's Candy is such an X factor not knowing how he will like Dirt & also how he will rate. I dont really believe he is a speed-to-be-converted-to stalker. He may rate well naturally.
Maybe. He certainly looks to be the most talented of the (former?) speed horses.

I hate guessing at the price he will now be at, however.

RolloTomasi 04-26-2010 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 639965)
What do people think of Setusko (sp?) if he happens to draw in? He could be my longshot pick if he gets in..
There was a DRF article late last week saying he was basically a 'go' for the undercard turf race, the American Turf this weekend (it might be a Friday race).

tector 04-26-2010 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 639965)
What do people think of Setusko (sp?) if he happens to draw in? He could be my longshot pick if he gets in..
He would be a must use for me, but it seems unlikely he'll make it.

But I think he'd get wiseguy status and not be the price we'd like.

Gate Dancer 04-26-2010 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 639965)
What do people think of Setusko (sp?) if he happens to draw in? He could be my longshot pick if he gets in..
Keeping my fingers crossed but not looking good (yet)............I have him at 65-1 in Pool 2 of the Derby futures...............he won't be near that if he gets in.

tector 04-26-2010 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 639979)
Who is to say who does and does not have distance problems?
You do--that is why it is called handicapping. You get info, you make a judgment. Anybody expecting Moses to come down from on high is in the wrong place.

Cannon Shell 04-26-2010 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 639949)
So
Works are incredibly overrated. Unless a horse is a first out maiden they can be helpful.

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Couldnt disagree more. Don't be a works hater.

Dublin 04-26-2010 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 639995)
My opinion is Sidneys Candy and Dublin can both get the distance and its not even an issue.
Please stop...

Cannon Shell 04-26-2010 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Linny (Post 639957)
Works are important if you know what you are looking at. I sometimes wonder if the writers that cover them have any idea what they are seeing or if they are just parrotting the trainers comments. Some writers seem so dazzled by the experience that every horse looks AMAZING! Guess what, they are Derby colts, they are supposed to look great. They are not supposed to look like $5k horses at Beulah.
What I want is for a Derby reporter to linger in the shedrow to see a concerned looking trainer consulting with a farrier and tell me about it. That trainer told the press this morning that his horse has never been better and no one in the group knows what a quarter crack looks like. Sadly, for that kind of scoop I need to go to Indian Charlie.:rolleyes:
Did no one in the media think something was up with Eskendereya when all of TAP's others trained on schedule? I didn't see anything about it if they did.
Rarely will I defend the media but people in this sport (trainers and owners especially) are so hyper sensitive to criticism that reporting anything that makes someone "look bad", they will shut off access. And since there are only a few trainers with good enough horses to talk to, media types softshoe around these things. Of course most of them wouldnt know what they are looking at anyway...

Dublin 04-26-2010 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 639999)
LOL all of 2 posts and already following...
Be your own person.
I implore you. 126 lbs is plenty for me.

Antitrust32 04-26-2010 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 639994)
Couldnt disagree more. Don't be a works hater.
You disagree that they are helpful in handicapping Maidens?

Cannon Shell 04-26-2010 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 640006)
You disagree that they are helpful in handicapping Maidens?
Information can be helpful in any type of race

Coach Pants 04-26-2010 06:31 PM
It's very likely that in the next 5 years a horse with only one win will finish top 3 in the derby. Unless, you know, we get some trainers who don't jump their shadow when they hear a horse fart.

philcski 04-26-2010 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 640069)
It's very likely that in the next 5 years a horse with only one win will finish top 3 in the derby. Unless, you know, we get some trainers who don't jump their shadow when they hear a horse fart.
Giacomo won in 2005 with just a maiden win to his credit.

Coach Pants 04-26-2010 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 640072)
Giacomo won in 2005 with just a maiden win to his credit.
I didn't bother to look because I'm CLUELESS. AND I shouldn't take this place SERIOUSLY It's all for SH.ITS and GIGGLES. I'm so ALOOF that my IGGY BIN is just an INSIDE JOKE and I'm REALLY not a fat HYPOCRITE DOUCHENOZZLE.

CSC 04-26-2010 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 639965)
What do people think of Setusko (sp?) if he happens to draw in? He could be my longshot pick if he gets in..
He's a sucker bet if he makes it in, seriously dude this horse has burned more money than Charlie Sheen has at the local Gentleman's club.

dalakhani 04-26-2010 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 640216)
He's a sucker bet if he makes it in, seriously dude this horse has burned more money than Charlie Sheen has at the local Gentleman's club.
He's been favored three times and won once out of those. He was 12-1 in the Santa anita derby and finished a fast closing 2nd.

CSC 04-26-2010 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 640220)
He's been favored three times and won once out of those. He was 12-1 in the Santa anita derby and finished a fast closing 2nd.
He won paying a miniscule .50 after looking like he would break in his Mdn 2nd start where everyone was all over him. He finally broke his mdn in start no.5. He's not much in my books, but heck I could be wrong though not likely. He's not much, even if he does improve on dirt. However I guess even Giacomo had his day so anything is possible.

dalakhani 04-26-2010 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 640225)
He won paying a miniscule .50 after looking like he would break in his Mdn 2nd start where everyone was all over him. He finally broke his mdn in start no.5. He's not much in my books, but heck I could be wrong though not likely. He's not much, even if he does improve on dirt. However I guess even Giacomo had his day so anything is possible.
You might be right but I think he is more talented than you are giving him credit for being. He has a nice turn of foot and he looks like he can run all day. He looks like he is screaming for 10f+


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