this thread gets an 86 bayer.

not all that good considering any mention of big brown at this point is an almost automatic 80 bayer.

i had hopes for the first thread roller started but that petered out as no better than a 90.

i'm confident this subject matter has a 100+ bayer in it though. keep trying.

I give him plenty of credit. Just because I'm realistic doesn't mean I don't believe he's a very nice horse. How many times do I need to say it? What he isn't is as good, right now, as Curlin was at this point in 2007. Yes, the same Curlin who had pretty much a similar campaign. Yes, the same Curlin who has developed into a terrific horse but is no better, if even as good, as Skip Away. No knock there either. Skip Away was a marvelous horse. However, I don't see a lot of people saying he belongs in the same class as Seattle Slew. Thank God....because he doesn't. But, at least he ran many top notch races.

Denis of Cork is a very nice horse? Compared to what? Everything is relative. Using him as a comparison is probably unfair even to Big Brown. I should hope he is ten lengths better than Denis of Cork if he wins the TC. Hell, I should hope he is 15 lengths better.

I've seen a lot of wonderful racehorses. Maybe that's why I don't wet myself over ever reasonable horse that comes down the pike. I'm still waiting for another Go for Wand. If you want to see what a real champion is take a good look at her lifetime pps.

Denis of Cork? Give me a break.

May I ask why you have been on my case about the thread I started last night from the get go? I'm sorry if I'm fairly new here but my questions were legit (for me). If they are too entry level for your tastes then don't respond at all instead of how you did? Why would you treat a stranger that way?

Denis of Cork is nowhere close to Big Brown - however - I think he stands a better (although small) chance to upset BB than Casino Drive does. . .

I am a fan of FREE with Super Saver Shipping...........

Hey, I'm no Denis of Cork fan. But I think he's earned the distinction "very nice".

"Very nice" doesn't mean "great".

I'm just a little confused, and slow, so help me with this one. You joined in August of 2006. The board began a few months before that. How exactly are you, then, " fairly new? "

He's " very nice " relative to his total crop. He's nowhere close relative to good horses.

Like Zanjero and Nobiz?

Just like them. Good in their crop. Nowhere near good overall though.

So far he's not as good as Zanjero and nowhere near Nobiz's league.

I'm going to print this post, and frame it.

Yes!!!!

Before last night I didn't have that many posts. Maybe new is the wrong word as opposed to meaning infrequent poster.

Or

you might just bet some money on the plug in the Belmont.

I was thinking sensitive

Is it me or did Borel ride Cork exactly the same way he rode Street Sense in the KD? Obviously with a much different result but he was way back there and flew up the rail passing almost all but two.

I think NoBiz is a very good horse. I also think Zanjero is pretty good as well.

I'll put it in relative terms....they were better 3YOs, by a reasonable amount, than Flashy Bull. Had either been sound, and made a reasonable progression from three to four, they could have been competitive in the top races as long as Curlin didn't run. Do you honestly think either one of them couldn't have won the Pimlico Special for instance? How about this year's Donn?

Perhaps sensitive is appropriate but I hope you will consider that three posters including you off the bat didn't even give me a chance.

I psyched about the props Andy gave to Zanjero, even though he doesn't realize it.

What did anyone actually do or say to you that was so bad anyway?