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The Indomitable DrugS 03-28-2008 10:18 PM
Any year now your Smokey Stover jokes will start getting old.

stonegossard 03-28-2008 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Any year now your Smokey Stover jokes will start getting old.

There are 2 things certain in the world.....


The sun rises in the East....


Busting on you about Smokey Stover will NEVER get old.....

pgardn 03-28-2008 10:45 PM
I bet via machine at the track and watch the odds.
You just put all your stuff in and wait to hit the button and make
the bet. If the odds stay as I like, I punch Print ticket, if they change,
I dont print. Its easy if you find an empty place with a TV, which
I have.

On a few (3 or 4) occassions I have hit print ticket late, after the horses got
off on accident, and got a bet through. The vast majority of the time
I get shut out.

So there is a glitch in the system somewhere with machines..
Last one I can remember would have been about
4 weeks ago while betting... I believe it was Sam Houston.

Anyone else have this happen?

This was/is a very interesting thread,
I was waiting to see if anyone had my experience
but I dont think I read any so far.

Riot 03-29-2008 01:00 PM
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The person who did it told me he practiced a lot with $2 show tickets until he got it down pat where he never messed up.
I think your scenario makes alot of sense, especially w/Standardbreds.

Riot 03-29-2008 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Youbet video is delayed longer than TVG which is at least 10 seconds behind live.
So if the video is delayed to the ADW, and I can bet up until the video shows gate opening on my ADW at times - does that mean I am dumping into the pool long seconds after the real gate has opened at the track and the race is underway?

Sounds like it.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mumtaz
So if the video is delayed to the ADW, and I can bet up until the video shows gate opening on my ADW at times - does that mean I am dumping into the pool long seconds after the real gate has opened at the track and the race is underway?

Sounds like it.
I had on the 2nd at OP on the computer and on HRTV at the same time today. TV was at least 10 seconds faster.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
until we figure out how to shut down any chance of past-posting
( regardless of whether it's a bet or a cancellation ),
my idea ( see post 9-this thread ) is the best one available. :cool:
I keep telling you that they tried your idea and got so many complaints that they scraped it. At least come up with an original idea

Scav 03-29-2008 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
until we figure out how to shut down any chance of past-posting
( regardless of whether it's a bet or a cancellation ),
my idea ( see post 9-this thread ) is the best one available. :cool:
Arlington tried this after the P6 scandal, and people were livid, and rightfully so.

All these bozo's need to do is spend some money on technology and everything would be fixed. A simple sensor would solve ALL these problems.

Riot 03-29-2008 04:24 PM
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All these bozo's need to do is spend some money on technology and everything would be fixed. A simple sensor would solve ALL these problems.
You are in the wrong major in school ;)

golfer 03-29-2008 06:35 PM
The one horse in the last race at Aqueduct was 4-1 when the gate opened, 7-2 at the half mile pole, and 3-1 down the stretch, while winning by a handful.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
I get that people were complaining.
If you knew how to read, you would have noticed the portion of my previous post which stated "until we figure out".
Now everybody else, except you, seems to comprehend that my idea wasn't being proposed as a permanent deal.
Here are the facts:
Past-posting still exists, and the wagering public doesn't like it.
OK. If we shut off wagering 20 seconds earlier, past-posting stops.
But it only solves part of the problem. Our current systems can calculate final odds and display them no better than 45 seconds after the pools have been closed.
WHIIIIICH MEEEEEEANNNNNNS................now that the trust has been broken,
past-posting will still be suspected, since bettors will still see winners leave the
gate at 3/1 and cross the finish line at 9/5 odds.
There are two problems to be solved, not one.
The fans clearly want both issues addressed which can't be done overnight.
Therefore, we must bridge the gap between now and when that magical day reveals itself.
What's better than closing the pools 1-2 minutes before the gates open
as of today 3/29/2008 6:28 PM EST ?
Maybe you dont understand that way more customers were complaining when they tried it your way. There were big bettors that stopped betting on races at Churchill because they were tired of getting shutout or being forced to bet earlier than they wanted. They told management that they wouldnt be participating. So dont act like you have come up with some ingenious way to magically solve the problem. It has been attempted and was met with severe resistance from horseplayers.

cmorioles 03-29-2008 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Maybe you dont understand that way more customers were complaining when they tried it your way. There were big bettors that stopped betting on races at Churchill because they were tired of getting shutout or being forced to bet earlier than they wanted. They told management that they wouldnt be participating. So dont act like you have come up with some ingenious way to magically solve the problem. It has been attempted and was met with severe resistance from horseplayers.
How do we know it isn't those same big bettors that are taking advantage of the flaws?

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
How do we know it isn't those same big bettors that are taking advantage of the flaws?
There must be a lot of them because I was told they were getting a 100 complaints a day, more if there was some kind of delay at the gate.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
Nothing magic or ingenious about it. You know the first time I brought this up ( and so does everyone else here. just look it up ) I took a trip down memory lane to complain about why the race tracks didn't stick to it despite the complaints.
Once again. Look it up. I never said this was something I came up with on my own. I'm just a fan of common sense.
Instead of mischaracterizing what I'm saying, try tell us what's better for the short run.
Everytime the issue is brought up you jump in with the same old, just shut down a minute before posttime. And everytime I repeat that they tried it but due to tremendous negative response, they stopped. So what makes you think that the same tremedous negative response wouldnt happen again? That is not even taking into consideration that the tracks almost never lose sight of the short term bottom line and how it would be negatively effected.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
So unless we have the perfect solution immediately, stand by and do nothing.
sounds like an idea to me. :)
No, do something that has already failed

cmorioles 03-30-2008 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
There must be a lot of them because I was told they were getting a 100 complaints a day, more if there was some kind of delay at the gate.
100 complaints for big bettors, or 100 in general?

A lot of people complained they had to wear a seat belt for awhile, but we didn't revert back to it being a legal choice.


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