in visionares defence he wont win the derby..but his ability to close will help him and lets face it..there arent much out there yet..matz had been to the dance and showed some class in not putting chelokee where it did not belong.. preakness ..if he does go.. i would play him under ..

That went a lot lower than I thought it would. Now, even I have to say that you are correct in your assumptions of that. His Gotham race was not good enough to be anywhere close to those odds. Still, Visionaire is not slow.

Hooves gave the best opinion of this horse IMO. I agree with him right now.

I wouldn't. The derby won't fall apart this year. It'll be a speedway.

Add stupid into the superfecta :p

first of all dont agree with me.. second of all your a problematic poster

your opinion means nothing..

i could really be mean to you and make you cry ..but i wont..

Like I will cry from something someone says on a message board:rolleyes:

Your comment the other day was mean in another post. I'm a problematic poster because I don't worship BTW, I don't agree with everything he says, and I'm not afraid to disagree like most others on here. It's easy to follow the crowd, but I don't like to take the easy way out. I'm problematic because I don't call others clueless, idiots (with the exception of one DTer because of his comment the other day), or other various names. I simply state my opinions, and I try not to be derogatory. I give others credit when they are right, and usually take everyone's opinions into consideration.

Good luck trying to make me cry. I don't cry anyway. You would be hard pressed to find someone who is tougher than me.

Oh yeah, and my opinion may mean nothing to you, but several have asked me not to leave, so I won't. I don't back down to bullies anyway.

i have pletcher and zito i believe. explains why i'm mid pack.

In keeping with the week long WWF theme - you sure are the Mick Foley of these parts.

Which version?

Probably the version that got body slammed through the top of the cage by the Undertaker.

on to tacks! :eek: :eek:

I took Monba today at 35-1. I'm throwing out his performance in the FOY, which probably classifies me as "clueless and blind," hence the sunglasses.:cool:

i just saw that pyro moved ahead of war pass in futures wagering.

whatever.

People will probably get a better price on Pyro in the likely event that he can't hold his current form on Kee's polytrack.

Closed at 6.5-1. Pretty generous, IMO. It would have been 6.6-1 without my bet. Sorry! ;>)

--Dunbar

FINAL ODDS IN THE FUTURE WAGER RND 2


1 Blackberry Road David Carroll 30 45
2 Bob Black Jack James Kasparoff 30 49
3 Colonel John Eoin Harty 12 17
4 Cool Coal Man Nicholas Zito 10 26
5 Court Vision William Mott 12 16
6 Denis of Cork David Carroll 15 12

7 El Gato Malo Craig Dollase 15 15
8 Elysium Fields Barclay Tagg 15 17
9 Fierce Wind Nicholas Zito 20 51
10 Gayego Paulo Lobo 20 99
11 Georgie Boy Kathy Walsh 20 20
12 Giant Moon Richard Schosberg 20 67

13 J Be K Steven Asmussen 30 53
14 Majestic Warrior William Mott 20 27
15 Monba Todd Pletcher 30 35
16 Nikkisgoldensteed Robert Hess, Jr. 50 99
17 Pyro Steven Asmussen 6 4
18 Smooth Air Bennie Stutts, Jr. 50 99

19 Tale of Ekati Barclay Tagg 30 47
20 Visionaire Michael Matz 30 19
21 War Pass Nicholas Zito 5 9-2
22 Yankee Bravo Patrick Gallagher 30 41
23 Z Fortune Steven Asmussen 20 33
24 All Other 3YO 10 6

You can get the actual 'will pays' at: http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2008/ne...ce-pool-2-kdfw , and then clicking "final odds" at the bottom of the page.

Among the favs, Pyro is 4-1, War Pass is 4.6-1, and All Others is 6.5-1.

Among the "99-1"'s, Smooth Air is actually 192-1, Gayego is 112.10-1, and Nikki's is 99.20-1.

--Dunbar

kentucky derby future will pays
 

about .com:http://www.kentucky derby.com all others $15.00 pyro $10.00 war pass$11.20 visionaire$41.60 etc etc

Who appears to be the best value in there? To me War Pass, Cool Coal Man and all others look like the value. I'm wondering why Cool Coal Man should be higher odds than Elysium Fields. Could it be his running style or pedigree compared with Elysium Fields? The fact that Zito trains War Pass and may point CCM somewhere else? After reading the FOY recap on drf it seemed like Zito conceded CCM got a great trip and wasn't inclined to point him to the Fla. derby.