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ateamstupid 02-23-2008 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
It will be interesting to see what the odds look like at post-time for this one.
Personally, I like Anak Nakal....especially if he is in the 6/1 range.

My guess is someone goes off as a 7/2 favorite. As for who that'll be.. Uh, Monba?

pgardn 02-23-2008 06:36 PM

This seems to be a very competitive race.
I just dont really like anybody.
I guess
Court Vision looked good getting all boxed
in a roaring out in the Remsen
but that race was so slow and a while back.
The horse Court Vision caught took what
I thought was a very bad step early in the
backstretch and was really not running well
at the end at all.

I wish I had some feeling cause I think money
will be spread all over the board with what
look to be impressive allowance winners.

wac 02-23-2008 09:39 PM

It seems most think that Monba will be coming from off the pace but in his races before the race in Cali wasn't he near the pace? I've just got my fingers crossed tomm for a good performance b/c i have a future bet on him. I hated doing it at 15-1 but i love his breeding and the fact that he closed into fast fractions in that race in Cali. Dont have the money to bet right now so won't be betting tomm but am excited to see the race.

Travis Stone 02-23-2008 11:25 PM

Is it me, or is Make the Point the only horse first or second at the pace call in the entire fields last two starts? I know some are coming out of sprint races and are likely to have some early presence, but it's not like this race has three to five one dimensional speed balls.

blackthroatedwind 02-23-2008 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Is it me, or is Make the Point the only horse first or second at the pace call in the entire fields last two starts? I know some are coming out of sprint races and are likely to have some early presence, but it's not like this race has three to five one dimensional speed balls.


It's tough to clear from out there in 1 1/8 races at Gulfstream, and Halo Najib and even Anak Nakal should go enough inside of him, not to mention the real speed of Golden Spikes, even Cool Coal Man, and possibly Kentucky Bear and Z Humor, that he is almost doomed to five or six wide into the turn. Is he fast enough to go on from there? Possibly, but how much energy can he really expend to get the front without severly compromising his chances?

Coach Pants 02-24-2008 12:42 AM

I've settled on Cool Coal Man as my top choice. Running style fits the distance perfectly. The upgrade to Desormeaux doesn't hurt either.

miraja2 02-24-2008 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I've settled on Cool Coal Man as my top choice. Running style fits the distance perfectly. The upgrade to Desormeaux doesn't hurt either.

I like him as well. My prediction is that Zito runs 1-2 here, but I am not sure CCM will be the one on top.
But this race sure could go a lot of different ways.

Travis Stone 02-24-2008 08:34 AM

I think Make the Point has an extremely tall order in front of him. He'll probably be underlaid as well. This race is fascinating from a handicapping perspective. I'm still uncertain regarding the pace, I can see it tipping it both ways.

fpsoxfan 02-24-2008 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I think Make the Point has an extremely tall order in front of him. He'll probably be underlaid as well. This race is fascinating from a handicapping perspective. I'm still uncertain regarding the pace, I can see it tipping it both ways.

Coming up next with Nick and Tom!! I'll be listening!

Hickory Hill Hoff 02-24-2008 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I think Make the Point has an extremely tall order in front of him. He'll probably be underlaid as well. This race is fascinating from a handicapping perspective. I'm still uncertain regarding the pace, I can see it tipping it both ways.

:) Good job Travis with Tom & Nick, known those guys for over 15 years.....I got Nick's writing gig at the Recorder when he went to the Record, it's already been 10 years doing that. :eek:

ArlJim78 02-24-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's tough to clear from out there in 1 1/8 races at Gulfstream, and Halo Najib and even Anak Nakal should go enough inside of him, not to mention the real speed of Golden Spikes, even Cool Coal Man, and possibly Kentucky Bear and Z Humor, that he is almost doomed to five or six wide into the turn. Is he fast enough to go on from there? Possibly, but how much energy can he really expend to get the front without severly compromising his chances?

tough is an understatement.
there have been 16 9F races this year at Gulfstream

13 were won by horses in rail positions 1 , 2 , or 3 (13/48)
3 were won by horses in rail positions 4, 5, or 6 (3/46)
nothing outside of the six has won a race this year. (0/29)
of course it could happen today, but the advantage is to the inside for sure.

Danzig 02-24-2008 11:44 AM

an amazing stat.

IrishofNDMan 02-24-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I've settled on Cool Coal Man as my top choice. Running style fits the distance perfectly. The upgrade to Desormeaux doesn't hurt either.

I'm with you Coach, probably be around 8-1 as well I'm guessing.

hockey2315 02-24-2008 12:27 PM

Golden Spikes might like the distance. . .

Cajungator26 02-24-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Golden Spikes might like the distance. . .

His pedigree sure says so. :)

brianwspencer 02-24-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Golden Spikes might like the distance. . .

That's who I like in here.

zippyneedsawin 02-24-2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I really like Kentucky Bear but I'm worried about the distance in addition to too much too soon. He's not exactly screaming distance pedigree. I hope he wins since I think he has the most upside here and we need some more really good horses to come out of this crop but I'm not sure if he is a good play.

Having a decent post, as well, makes him more playable than some others. I guess in a race that looks pretty wide open, ya gotta take a stand with one of them--- I'm going with KB. Good luck!

sumitas 02-24-2008 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
Having a decent post, as well, makes him more playable than some others. I guess in a race that looks pretty wide open, ya gotta take a stand with one of them--- I'm going with KB. Good luck!

The Bear looks as good as any of them. BTW asked the question too much too soon ? We'll find out the answer soon.

Hoist Her Flag 02-24-2008 03:12 PM

I'm leaning outside
 
Halo Najib and Adriano for me

miraja2 02-24-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoist Her Flag
Halo Najib and Adriano for me

Are you serious?


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