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Ronnie 09-17-2007 11:53 AM

It rarely reaches 90 degrees in Saratoga...maybe 2 days this Summer.

Ronnie 09-17-2007 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie
It rarely reaches 90 degrees in Saratoga...maybe 2 days this Summer.


I just checked. It hit 90 four times during the meet. I think this was a rare year. Some years it has never hit 90.

http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/weather/historical/

ARyan 09-17-2007 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by saratogabrit
And wouldn't there be a problem with seats? Saratoga is possibly unique amongst tracks that the bulk of the seats are sold either for the whole meet or the bulk of the meet and that most people either keep the same seats or move closer to the Box Seats as years go by.

Breeders' Cup takes over for the 2 days and the norm is that all the best seats in the house-so probably all the clubhouse seats-would be taken out of circulation and their usual occupants forced to enter a lottery for seats in tents 5 miles from the finish line :)

I would love to know where the workforce would come from? Are you going to ship up everyone from Belmont? I would love to see the cost of that. Are you going to pay for them to stay in Saratoga for 2 or 3 days? Would you be able to find enough people to hire from this area, and have them trained for a 3 or 4 day meet?

You have to clean and have ready all the dorms, bathrooms, stables, etc.

How about all the parimutuel equipment? That all has to be shipped up and tested in a matter of hours.

What about food and bev?

There are many more logistical issues, these are just a few off the top of my head.

boswd 09-17-2007 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
It was, but I would not say with such a resound attitude that 90 degrees is the norm for the summer. Your statement was made in such an authoritative way, as to make those believe 30 to 40 degree days are the average.

I feel we both agree on this, I just feel there are more logical reasons to dispute why having the BC will not be run at Saratoga. You have touched on many of those, but continuing to argue the weather case is beyond tedious. I do not think that boswd understands why it is not feasible for Saratoga to host a BC. Harping on the weather only keeps him going. List the dozen other reasons it will never happen and maybe this arguement will fade away.

The reason I think they won't host the BC is the simple fact that Belmont and Saratoga both share the same equipment and it just isn't feasable for NYRA to strip down Belmont again for just the weekend and then having to strip down Saratoga and move it all back to Belmont where it is already set up and ready to go.

ARyan 09-17-2007 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd
The reason I think they won't host the BC is the simple fact that Belmont and Saratoga both share the same equipment and it just isn't feasable for NYRA to strip down Belmont again for just the weekend and then having to strip down Saratoga and move it all back to Belmont where it is already set up and ready to go.

Very much agreed. I believe that is a huge reason as well.

boswd 09-17-2007 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
I would love to know where the workforce would come from? Are you going to ship up everyone from Belmont? I would love to see the cost of that. Are you going to pay for them to stay in Saratoga for 2 or 3 days? Would you be able to find enough people to hire from this area, and have them trained for a 3 or 4 day meet?

You have to clean and have ready all the dorms, bathrooms, stables, etc.

How about all the parimutuel equipment? That all has to be shipped up and tested in a matter of hours.

What about food and bev?

There are many more logistical issues, these are just a few off the top of my head.


My brother is a teller for NYRA and has been shipped in for BC Day at Belmont, Arlington, Churchill and Gulfstreaam and KY Derby Day. The BC committee sends them in from other tracks is the need is there.

ARyan 09-17-2007 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd
My brother is a teller for NYRA and has been shipped in for BC Day at Belmont, Arlington, Churchill and Gulfstreaam and KY Derby Day. The BC committee sends them in from other tracks is the need is there.

I did not know that. Interesting...

Do they pay for all his travel, and give him a per diem?

saratogabrit 09-17-2007 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd
My brother is a teller for NYRA and has been shipped in for BC Day at Belmont, Arlington, Churchill and Gulfstreaam and KY Derby Day. The BC committee sends them in from other tracks is the need is there.

Agreed. A friend of mine from Saratoga is a teller and he's on the reserve list to go to Monmouth.

boswd 09-17-2007 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan
I did not know that. Interesting...

Do they pay for all his travel, and give him a per diem?


No for the most part you are on your own in terms of finding accomdations. They gave him a list of recommendations they give you meal vouchers and a very nice paycheck.

boswd 09-17-2007 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd
No for the most part you are on your own in terms of finding accomdations. They gave him a list of recommendations they give you meal vouchers and a very nice paycheck.


And oh yes you have to pay for your own travel expenses

saratogabrit 09-17-2007 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Huh? The weather is beautiful? I give up. You might have gotten lucky for one day when you closed on your condo, but for the most part it's cold. I'm sure Albany Airport would be fine.

I don't believe Albany Airport would be fine at all. There's only 1 Breeders' Cup venue that doesn't have an airport that flies direct to the majority of the cities in the US and overseas-and that's Churchill.

But Louisville Airport has more flights a day than Albany and is also less than half the distance to the nearest Hub/International Airport than Albany is.

During the meet a steady stream of people are coming and going but when Breeders' Cup ever came to town everyone would arrive in a 48-72 hour time span

boswd 09-17-2007 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saratogabrit
I don't believe Albany Airport would be fine at all. There's only 1 Breeders' Cup venue that doesn't have an airport that flies direct to the majority of the cities in the US and overseas-and that's Churchill.

But Louisville Airport has more flights a day than Albany and is also less than half the distance to the nearest Hub/International Airport than Albany is.

During the meet a steady stream of people are coming and going but when Breeders' Cup ever came to town everyone would arrive in a 48-72 hour time span


I don't think it would be a problem either. People would just make the proper adjustments on the getting flights in that are direct to Albany but are full. Most would pick up flights that would go through NYC which has flights to and from Albany almost on the hour every hour.

Bystander 09-17-2007 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I really cannot believe I am wasting my time here, but that doesn't account for how humid it is. On a day where it is in the mid 80's, but a high dewpoint, it feels like at least 90 or higher. Don't you agree?

Someone obviously needs to tell you to "be nice." ;)

It was stinking hot this summer.

SentToStud 09-17-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by saratogabrit
I don't believe Albany Airport would be fine at all. There's only 1 Breeders' Cup venue that doesn't have an airport that flies direct to the majority of the cities in the US and overseas-and that's Churchill.

But Louisville Airport has more flights a day than Albany and is also less than half the distance to the nearest Hub/International Airport than Albany is.

During the meet a steady stream of people are coming and going but when Breeders' Cup ever came to town everyone would arrive in a 48-72 hour time span

Don't the Euro horses fly charter? I really don't know.

saratogabrit 09-17-2007 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Don't the Euro horses fly charter? I really don't know.

No I meant racefans. The average number of British and Irish that attend Breeders' Cup is now about 8,000 and that figure would go above 10,000 with more fans from Asia etc.

Albany is over 150 miles from the nearest Domestic/International Hub. Some foreigners will hire cars in Boston or New York or take the train up from Penn Station but the bulk will have to change planes in New York etc and they'll all be trying to get on the same flights that racefans from the US and Canada are trying to get seats on.


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