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Kasept 05-15-2016 06:35 AM

Ned Allard, who paid $6k to late nominate Abiding Star to TC only to be kept imprisoned at Parx, will run if quarantine lifted as scheduled this week.

Still no decision from Winchell-Fiske-Asmussen camp on Gun Runner..

Alabama Stakes 05-16-2016 09:00 PM

Ned Allard
 
As the memory gets jostled there on E.T.(Ned) Allard. Musta been 25-30 years ago and Ned ships this hoss named Sovereign Dreams ( I think ) up to Saratoga to run for like $35000 going a mile on the turf. This hoss was real real good at a flat mile. They only wrote 1 mile 70 yards or 1 mile 1/16 turf at Suffolk . Me and my brother drive up there to bet on the hoss. On the way a guy who owes us $200 stops us in the car and pays the deuce....wow , perfect timing . The hoss is running in the second race. When they come on the track and the owners and trainers come by we see Ned . He's with Campbell who owned him. How much should we bet goin a flat mile today Ned? Everything in your pocket .... He whistled. We were so ecstatic

pointman 05-16-2016 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1064724)
As the memory gets jostled there on E.T.(Ned) Allard. Musta been 25-30 years ago and Ned ships this hoss named Sovereign Dreams ( I think ) up to Saratoga to run for like $35000 going a mile on the turf. This hoss was real real good at a flat mile. They only wrote 1 mile 70 yards or 1 mile 1/16 turf at Suffolk . Me and my brother drive up there to bet on the hoss. On the way a guy who owes us $200 stops us in the car and pays the deuce....wow , perfect timing . The hoss is running in the second race. When they come on the track and the owners and trainers come by we see Ned . He's with Campbell who owned him. How much should we bet goin a flat mile today Ned? Everything in your pocket .... He whistled. We were so ecstatic

Clever redboard. It is only missing that you threatened the guy who owed you the deuce and the jock to make sure the horse won. :rolleyes:

Alabama Stakes 05-16-2016 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1064726)
Clever redboard. It is only missing that you threatened the guy who owed you the deuce and the jock to make sure the horse won. :rolleyes:

Take a long walk off a short pier. Introduce yourself at Saratoga this year.

richard burch 05-16-2016 11:22 PM

Some capable horses in this race but sill have to go with him, Nyquist by a length...Stradivari or Collected for the exacta.

Alabama Stakes 05-17-2016 10:45 AM

Gun Runner Out
 
Gun Runner out .....

casp0555 05-17-2016 11:03 AM

That figures on Gun Runner...since I'm three races too late to bet on him :rolleyes:

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-17-2016 11:14 AM

Can some post the link to the X-press bet guide for the Preakness? can't get their website to load ....... thanks :)

knickslions2 05-17-2016 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1064750)
That figures on Gun Runner...since I'm three races too late to bet on him :rolleyes:

He cant beat Nyquist anyway. Had perfect trip in Derby.

Kasept 05-17-2016 12:35 PM

Ned Allard: 'We're good to go!' Veteran horsemen escaping Parx with eyes on Preakness with Abiding Star & MD Sprint with Always Sunshine.

Rupert Pupkin 05-17-2016 03:12 PM

The forecast is calling for a 100% chance of rain on Saturday. They are expecting as much as an inch.

The Devil 05-17-2016 03:47 PM

Great move with Gun Runner, real nice horse.

casp0555 05-17-2016 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1064761)
The forecast is calling for a 100% chance of rain on Saturday. They are expecting as much as an inch.

Caly crew 1 and two.....again

EpBurns 05-17-2016 10:08 PM

Its been raining in Maryland all MONTH!! Handicap for a real soft turf I can see them taking the earlier turf races off.. And the high temp for Saturday is suppose to be 57!! Friday it should be partly sunny and 72 so if your coming for the Preakness bundle up 57 and a lot of rain.

Benny 05-18-2016 09:36 AM

Fantasy Preakness - past winners
 
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/n...134036961.html

NTamm1215 05-18-2016 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Benny (Post 1064773)

Thanks for sharing. We all need a good laugh.

cakes44 05-18-2016 07:47 PM

I liked Gun Runner for 2nd.

Alabama Stakes 05-18-2016 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1064774)
Thanks for sharing. We all need a good laugh.

I don't get the joke ?
Was it that Point Given didn't roll ? Or are you forgetting the ambush that red bullet made on the mighty fu peg, who at the time looked very tough to beat

Rupert Pupkin 05-18-2016 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1064804)
I don't get the joke ?
Was it that Point Given didn't roll ? Or are you forgetting the ambush that red bullet made on the mighty fu peg, who at the time looked very tough to beat

They had the running styles totally wrong. For example, there is no chance that Bernardini would have been on the lead. How could they have Bernardini in front of War Emblem in the early going? That is absurd.

miraja2 05-19-2016 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1064814)
They had the running styles totally wrong. For example, there is no chance that Bernardini would have been on the lead. How could they have Bernardini in front of War Emblem in the early going? That is absurd.

Yeah if they are going to bother putting something like that together I don't understand why they don't put a little more effort into having it make sense. Afleet Alex right up on the pace? In that field?

Kasept 05-19-2016 09:23 AM

Nyquist "collects" company during final Preakness gallop
By Dave Grening

It was not a run-of-the-mill Preakness training session Thursday at Pimlico.

In what was to be his final gallop before Saturday’s Preakness Stakes, Kentucky Derby winner Nyquist was joined for part of the way by Collected, the Bob Baffert-trained winner of the Lexington Stakes who is also running in the Preakness.

Trainer Doug O’Neill alternates days of jogging and galloping with Nyquist. On the days he gallops, he goes at a two-minute clip, meaning fractions around 15 seconds for each eighth. Typically, Nyquist likes to start at the six-furlong pole and gallop a strong mile. As Nyquist, under exercise rider Jonny Garcia, was preparing to do just that, Collected, under exercise rider Jorge Alvarez, came up to Nyquist’s inside.

Collected, who was toward the end of his gallop, got in front of Nyquist and Nyquist got a little eager. Alvarez attempted to ease Collected back and guided Collected to the outside of Nyquist.

When Collected first came up inside Nyquist, Garcia "gave me a dirty look," Alvarez told my colleague Jay Privman."He asked me to back off. I've been in that situation before. We're rivals, but you have to be a gentleman. I helped him out. I backed off, and he went on."

Alvarez told Privman he thought Nyquist got aggressive when Collected was in front of him but that Nyquist got better when he let him go.

Garcia declined comment.

Coming to the top of the stretch, Garcia was seen looking behind him a couple of times to locate Collected, who was basically finishing up his gallop by the time Nyquist came into the stretch. From the quarter pole to wire, Nyquist went in 28.91 seconds and then went another eighth of a mile in 13.80 seconds. So, he went those three-eighths in 42.71 seconds.

O’Neill, who along with owners Paul and Zilla Reddam, watched the training session from the porch on the press-box level. When O’Neill was asked about Alvarez keeping Collected in close proximity, he said. “That’s okay he can gig at him all he wants,” O’Neill said. “We’ll be okay.”

A horse got loose on the track just moments after Nyquist came on following the renovation break. The loose horse never got near Nyquist, who stood at the quarter pole alongside with a stable pony, before being apprehended by the outrider. Nyquist then continued on his way, backing up to the seven-furlong pole.

Also on track following the renovation break was Cherry Wine, who visited the starting gate and then found himself galloping alongside Collected before those two caught up with Nyquist at the end of the clubhouse turn. Cherry Wine had completed his exercise before Nyquist and Collected got into their game.

OldDog 05-19-2016 09:44 AM

Collected gets my attention when and if the track ends up sloppy, I don't want to leave him off any exotics.

FATPIANO 05-20-2016 03:14 PM

does anyone know how undefeated Kentucky Derby winners fared in The Preakness, I know Big Brown won both and Barbaro suffered an injury, But what of the rest?

GenuineRisk 05-21-2016 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 1065019)
does anyone know how undefeated Kentucky Derby winners fared in The Preakness, I know Big Brown won both and Barbaro suffered an injury, But what of the rest?

Here are the undefeated Kentucky Derby winners:

Big Brown (2008), Barbaro (2006), Smarty Jones (2004), Seattle Slew (1977), Majestic Prince (1969), Morvich (1922) and the filly Regret (1915).

So, other than Barbaro, every undefeated KD winner who ran in the Preakness won it (neither Morvich nor Regret ran in it, though fun trivia: in 1922 the KD and Preakness were run on the same day and in 1915, while Regret didn't run in the Preakness, a different filly did and won, making it the only year fillies won the majority of the TC races).

FATPIANO 05-21-2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1065155)
Here are the undefeated Kentucky Derby winners:

Big Brown (2008), Barbaro (2006), Smarty Jones (2004), Seattle Slew (1977), Majestic Prince (1969), Morvich (1922) and the filly Regret (1915).

So, other than Barbaro, every undefeated KD winner who ran in the Preakness won it (neither Morvich nor Regret ran in it, though fun trivia: in 1922 the KD and Preakness were run on the same day and in 1915, while Regret didn't run in the Preakness, a different filly did and won, making it the only year fillies won the majority of the TC races).

thank you

richard burch 05-22-2016 12:56 AM

...and CONGRATS !!!! to Exaggerator.... but the 2 and 4 helped him out significantly.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/char...6&cy=USA&rn=13

and Cherry Wine won in the slop at gulfsteam.

cakes44 05-22-2016 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1065279)
...and CONGRATS !!!! to Exaggerator.... but the 2 and 4 helped him out significantly.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/char...6&cy=USA&rn=13

and Cherry Wine won in the slop at gulfsteam.

I thought Mario Gutierrez helped him quite a bit too with a very questionable/awkward ride that started as soon as the gates opened.

Kasept 05-22-2016 07:28 AM

6/11 (BEL): BELMONT STAKES

Exaggerator (Desormeaux)
Cherry Wine (Romans)
Lani (Matsunaga)
Creator (Asmussen)
Destin (Pletcher)
Suddenbreakingnews (Von Hemel)
Brody's Cause (Romans)
Governor Malibu (Clement)

Stradivari (Pletcher)
Mo Tom (Amoss)

Pants II 05-22-2016 07:33 AM

I give Nyquist a .2% chance of running.

Kasept 05-24-2016 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1065286)
I give Nyquist a .2% chance of running.

And now confirmed with elevated white blood cell count..

Kasept 05-24-2016 10:31 AM

Nyquist out of Belmont with high white cell count
By David Grening

Kentucky Derby winner Nyquist will miss the Belmont Stakes on June 11 due to an illness, trainer Doug O’Neill told Daily Racing Form Tuesday morning.

O’Neill said that Nyquist has an elevated white blood-cell count and that his temperature, after returning to normal Monday afternoon, was up to 101.2 degrees mid-morning Tuesday. His normal temperature is 100.3, O’Neill said.

O’Neill said that Nyquist would be put on stronger antibiotics to treat the illness and that he would return to California when he’s healthy.

“We’re going to put him on stronger antibiotics, get him right, get him back to California and let him relax and recover from the trip,” O’Neill said by phone.

The defection of Nyquist means there will not be a rubber match with Preakness winner Exaggerator in the $1.5 million Belmont Stakes. Nyquist, the undefeated 2-year-old champion of 2015, beat Exaggerator by 1 1/4 lengths in the Kentucky Derby on May 7. Exaggerator turned the tables on Nyquist in the Preakness, winning by 3 1/2 lengths while Nyquist was nosed out for second by Cherry Wine.

O’Neill said Sunday he wanted to run Nyquist in the Belmont and had planned to ship the colt to New York from Baltimore on Monday. But Monday morning, Nyquist was diagnosed with a “102-and-change” temperature. Though he was treated and the temperature returned to normal, blood work taken Monday revealed a high white-blood cell count.

“It is a bummer,” O’Neill said. “It’s like a family member being sick. We’re going to focus on getting him better and we look forward to a summer campaign.”

O’Neill said he is not sure where or when Nyquist would return, but he did say he hoped the horse could run this summer at Saratoga, in either the Jim Dandy on July 30 or the Travers on Aug. 27.

FATPIANO 05-24-2016 11:48 AM

no reason for Nyquist to run in The Belmont, it would be the only time he has to run a t 1 1/2. nothing to gain by him. he will be back and stay undefeated the rest of the year...............

Port Conway Lane 05-24-2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 1065440)
no reason for Nyquist to run in The Belmont, it would be the only time he has to run a t 1 1/2. nothing to gain by him. he will be back and stay undefeated the rest of the year...............

except that it would have made the race more interesting for everyone, to say the least.

dalakhani 05-25-2016 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1065284)
6/11 (BEL): BELMONT STAKES

Exaggerator (Desormeaux)
Cherry Wine (Romans)
Lani (Matsunaga)
Destin (Pletcher)
Suddenbreakingnews (Von Hemel)
Brody's Cause (Romans)
Governor Malibu (Clement)

Nyquist (O'Neill)
Stradivari (Pletcher)
Creator (Asmussen)
Mo Tom (Amoss)

someone is going to steal this race on the lead.

Pants II 05-25-2016 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1065432)
And now confirmed with elevated white blood cell count..

Not surprising. The horse was giving it his all down the stretch. Keyed up the whole race really.

Just want him back for the summer/fall campaign.

(hoping Exaggerator is scratched, tbh)

Kasept 05-26-2016 08:02 PM

Belmont Stakes: Creator is good to go
By Marcus Hersh

Trainer Steve Asmussen on Thursday confirmed Arkansas Derby winner Creator as a definite starter for the Belmont Stakes on June 11. Creator finished a troubled 13th in the Kentucky Derby after coming rapidly to hand this winter and spring in Arkansas and winning the Arkansas Derby at Oaklawn Park by 1 1/4 lengths over Suddenbreakingnews, another likely Belmont runner.

Creator worked back nine days after the Derby, going an easy half, and worked five furlongs Monday in 1:02. Asmussen, who trains Creator for WinStar Farm, said Creator will work Monday at his Churchill Downs base and ship to New York on Tuesday. The work will be with company, Asmussen said, but not especially demanding.

“We’re there already. He has a great fitness level, and I like the rhythm he’s in,” Asmussen said.

Creator is a one-run closer and was only starting to make his move around the far turn in the Derby when he got into trouble, losing his momentum.

“He came back with a couple superficial cuts but nothing serious, and he’s rebounded nicely,” said Asmussen. “It’s the Derby. You wish you’d have had a little cleaner trip is all.”

Asmussen said he’ll ship Holy Boss for the True North and Counterforce for the Woody Stephens on the Belmont undercard along with Creator next week.

Exaggerator, who will be heavily favored to win the Belmont on the strength of his second in the Derby and win in the Preakness, remains at Pimlico Race Course and was scheduled to have a walk day Thursday before returning to the track for exercise on Friday. Exaggerator is scheduled to ship Sunday from Pimlico to Belmont.

Trainer Tom Amoss said a decision on Mo Tom’s status for the Belmont will be announced Monday. Todd Pletcher said that Destin and Stradivari, his two Belmont possibles, are “both doing well.” Destin, who was sixth in the Derby, is an intended Belmont runner, but Pletcher said he wants to wait to decide whether Stradivari, fourth in the Preakness while making his stakes debut, will run in the race.

richard burch 05-26-2016 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1065281)
I thought Mario Gutierrez helped him quite a bit too with a very questionable/awkward ride that started as soon as the gates opened.

Agreed. The 4 was the problem more than the 2 . Nyquist could have stalked the 2 around the track but not with a horse pressing on the outside. Seen it many times.

Alabama Stakes 05-27-2016 08:14 AM

Creator is the. Best bet of the year to win the Belmont

FATPIANO 05-27-2016 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1065570)
Creator is the. Best bet of the year to win the Belmont

DITTO

casp0555 05-27-2016 11:28 AM

Revenge of Curlin!!


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