In my experience, when it gets crazy hot here and the track cooks, speed/rail holds tremendously well....When it rains, horses comes from the clouds on the dirt.

As far as the turf, this year I saw an unusual amount of front runners hold on at Arlington, which has widely been known as a closer turf course, especially when soft/yielding

Don't knock it until you see it. It might not have the smell of a huge racetrack, but there isn't a better built, nicer track in the country.....

and i may be clearly biased having spent the better part of my young life in chicago, but when i think of great places to see races I think of Arlington.

While I've never been to Belmont on a big race day, when I did go there on a regular weekend when I was in New York once, I was not that impressed with anything other than the size of the ovals. I suppose to each his own, but I found it dirty and dingy and unimpressive aesthetically.

Most of it probably has to do with the quality of racing in Chicago these days, people don't think of Chicago as a great racing town because there isn't great racing -- but there IS a great racetrack. personal preference i suppose.

I am sure it's nice, but to people who don't live in Chicago, the average sports fan has never heard of AP, but they know Churchill and Belmont...I would actually prefer them all to be at Belmont...

I don't think they know Belmont anymore then they know Arlington. Churchill I agree with because everyone watchs the Kentucky Derby, even my mom who is anti-horse racing.

that's funny, because i thought the turf was very fair this year, i think that the pace in the races that frontrunners were winning were by and large conducive for speed holding. I found that the fractions of the race were dictating the outcome far more than the course itself.

maybe i just don't see it the same way, because when i went there this summer during rainy days, i found speed to be the way to win of the day.

i've just always had a very very difficult time finding any noticeable or playable track bias at arlington over any long-term period of time.

It ties in with the Triple Crown the Belmont Stakes, Belmont is more widely known, no question...I have never been there, but Belmont's favorite track overall...They should have the big races at big time tracks that can accomodate everyone...How was the BC when it was at AP? Was it over crowded, long lines...I went to the one at Lone Star and it was a nightmare, nice little track, but they had no business trying to accomodate that many people...When I went to the BC at CD, it was no problem, plenty of room, small lines...

I think the best sceniero , though it will never happen, Is the NTRA build a track in a neutral warm location that would play permanant host to the Breeders Cup. Have the BC to be ran in December so there is plenty of time after the major meets are over and maybe we will have better and bigger fields throughout the year at the big races.

Pimilco is part of the Triple Crown and people don't know that. and that weekend is known as the biggest party on earth....

I couldn't agree more, it's going to be a nightmare at Monmouth as well.

Belmont isn't the greatest place to have the BC races because of its one-turn configuration for many of the races, much different from what most of the competitors are used to. Didn't they have it at Aqueduct one year? That's a track that is fairer to 2-turn horses from all over the country. Turf course isn't as nice as Belmont, but most of the races are on dirt. And they should shorten the Juvenile races to 8f on 9f tracks, like they did at Hollywood the first year it was run. No need to stress immature joints by running around two turn so young.

I heard Arlington is beutiful too but the nicest track in the country. matter of opinon. It may be the Camden Yards of race tracks but I would take Fenway and Wrigley over Camden any day. In this baseball analogy it would Keeneland and Saratoga.

Tiznow and Sakhee weren't based at BEL and they ran well at BEL...

I agree about the 2yo races, that's another reason AP should never have it, because of what happened to the 2yo's that came out of those races...SFF came back, but it took her awhile...

really though, that's all speculation. could have happened at churchill too if we're going to blame two turns for horses not coming back soon.

that claim is wild and out there, think of ALL the two-turn preps and maiden races and allowance races that 2yo horses run in -- two turns at arglinton is no different than two turns anywhere else.

I was born and raised in the New York Metropolitan Area. I saw inperson every major star from Seattle Slew to Bernardini. I could make a list of faults regarding this track and I would need more than my ten fingers. Belmont lovers should not cast stones at tracks like Arlington, Woodbine, Gulfstream, and Monmouth. P.S. I was at the Aqueduct Breeders' Cup; it is also not perfect.

Those races were at 1 1/8th that's way too far for a 2yo to run against top company at that time...I don't think it's a coincidence that most never ran again or that they were never themselves after that run at AP...I know you're a homer, but can you tell me another Juvy where the runners came back either retired or less than their best...

true, in my memory as a racing fan, (albeit only about an 8 year memory :)), there has not been a crop like that coming out of a juvy BC race -- it's still going to be one of those things that could very possibly be coincidence.

if the juvy runners came out of AP so badly, you would expect runners across the board to come out of it very poorly -- as juvy runners come out of it fine at other tracks when older horses come out of it fine as well.

i just think it's a little bit of a reach, homer or not, to say it's the track for sure when no other dirt horses seemed to have a problem coming out it any more than they would from any other BC race.

You can't compare 2yo's to fully developed horses, it's not the same thing, that's too far for them at that point in their careers, it wasn't the surface, it was the distance, it was the 1st time the Juvy had been run at 1 1/8th and it proved to be disasterous....

and in addition, if 1 1/8 is too far, then 1 1/16 is too far every other BC. i can't find a way to believe that the extra 7 seconds of running somehow shattered the futures of every horse in there. i'd be more apt to talk about the horses than the tracks.

Horse racing desperately needs to try different things to reach the masses. For example, I think it would be really neat if Churchill booked Jessica Simpson to walk in the post parade right next to Bernardini and sing Irresistible. Something like this would grab the attention span of a target market that spends lots of money on text messages and ringtones. Maybe they'll spend a few dollars on the ponies if they see Jessica giving her stamp of approval.

Isn't the Remsen in November at Aqueduct run at nine furlongs? Vindication got hurt in a workout; he was not reported injured in his race.:(

i love that idea -- popstars in platform shoes getting necked by star horses in the post parade while belting radio smash hits on a wireless microphone.

you're on to something.

And really with a star like Jessica Simpson the risk isn't as high. So what if she gets kicked in the head by a horse? It might knock some sense into her.

Well some arguments make sense, but my point is that Belmont or CD offer more to the racing fans than the smaller tracks. I dont think event like BCC increase fan base.

How many juvy horses are the same after running the BC Juv races in general. I could name a slew of horses in last years that didn't come back...Stevie Wonder boy? Action this day? To use Vindication as an example is insane

Mace, your just anti-Chicago, it is ok, just admit it :)

Action This Day still ran, he just wasn't very good to begin with and he didn't run last year...

I remember reading quote after quote about trainers fretting, because they had to send the horses longer...

I like Chicago, had a blast every time I have been there.

Well, that's their fault. Breeders' Cup Limited polled around 30 (?? number may be wrong) of the top trainers in the country and the vast majority said they'd rather run the 9 poles than 8 for the Juvy races. They were asked and the BC gave them what they wanted at Arlington. I remember this event vividly because I was very surprised when I read the headline article on bloodhorse.com that day in '02.

I have not been to either, but I have WAY more complaints over Belmont hosting the Breeders' Cup than Arlington. In my opinion, if New York wants to host the Cup again, they should spruce up Aqueduct into a nice facility and have it there. That's not realistic, though. For starters, the biggest 9 furlong Distaff race of the year should NOT be run around ONE turn and the Classic should not START on a turn. It's fine for the JCGC and other preps, but not for the America's championship day.

I actually agree - the Juvie should not be around two turns. For decades, we managed to produce classic horses in this country without racing 2yos around 2 turns - the Futurity, then the Champagne were testing grounds for the best 2yos. The Remsen, the Breeders Futurity, the Kentucky Jockey Club S, Pimlico-Laurel Futurity were all one-turn races. Affirmed had a lengthy career at 2 but never ran around two turns. It is the torque on immature joints that causes the mischief, in my judgment. And they keep making 2yo races longer and moving two-turn races up to August!! Insane.

Why don't they just rebuild the 10f chute they used to have, crossing the training track? They dug it up because the NTRA said that the fans wanted to see the start. Well, with current technology, everybody can get a view of the start via television, which many of them watch the whole way around, anyway.