Yeah Pillow, change aint always the way to go. Anyone remember "New Coke" back in the 80's? Tasted like panther piss.

I just wanted to post to see if my avatar works..

yeah.. take that!

These new Cali folks pretty much reinforce everything I ever heard about them.

really, see you can make your point without bringing the men and women fighting for us....god forbid anyone you cared about was over there...maybe then you could grasp why that post was incredibly insensitive.

If I had prior knowledge of said Earthquake, I would be as well prepared as I could be. This is the point you are failing to see, you had the prior knowledge of what the industry was planning to do.

I'm sorry but they're not dying for me. They're dying for reasons that make me sick to my stomach.

yes.. but 60% of the time, it works every time.

On the lighter side of things, nice avatar :D ...NOW GET INTO THE DEBATE! :D

WTF does this have to do with Polytrack?

Good job Oracle. Change the subject to something you know. Very creative. So I will do the same.

Breeding

1. What specifically in the female probably infers more stamina to progeny than what the sire can give genetically?

2. How does crossing over increase diversity of breeding, and how does it make outcomes of breeding even more difficult to predict?

3. How many regulatory v. protein producing genes do we think there are in the throughbred genome?

4. Why is your major arguement for Pik plays completely illogical, when you have made win bets on horses?

Your funny but I still like you. You get backed into a corner, and change to your comfort zone. Very typical for someone that has a bit of an inferiority complex.

and.. there it is!!

couldn't resist, could you.

No it was not. Cunninghams first post. Sorry.

And do people not question the reasons they are over there?
I hear: lies, propaganda, lack of due dilligence, overreacting, etc.
I think its the parallel he was calling to notice.
I've tangled with Joel a lot, but in this case he certainly wasn't trying to compare the importance of the situation.

It was a knock on Bush doing the unexpected....not the men and women fighting for our country...' sorry some of you took offense...I too have many friends on the front line over there and I'm not happy about it...

Oh, and YES I am republican and USED TO like Bush....

The people of New Orelans knew that they were in a high-risk area for hurricanes but they belive their Governing body would protect them (with levees, evacs, etc.)....Did that ahppen? and Do you blame the people of south Louisiana for their own loss? If so, you are a moron, sir....

Oh, and I lived in New Orleans and had many friends and family hit hard by the storm and aftermath last August - so I think I can talk about it.....

Kasept brought this up before...Just imagine what KEE would be like, if they just fixed the configuration and not put down the Poly...They already have the Poly training track, so let them train on it and run on the main track...It's speculation, but maybe KEE would be more than just a MSW track and they would be more relevant in the BC and Triple Crown races...

LOL!!!
I'll take that to mean "I don't have the slightest clue, but I will continue to argue on about the economic side of the industry that I know absolutely nothing about"
The difference here is that I have never been arrogantor stupid enough to question your knowledge on science topics.
And as far as inferiority complexes go, you should see how angry you get when you can't argue something as intelligently as you argue your field, and show us so by often attempting to divert any argument into the scientific field where you feel more secure and knowledgable.

Yes. Lets not be involved in any change. Lets go back to giving diabetics insulin from cows so 10% of them can die from immune system reactions. To hell with the new stuff. Good God man, you are in your 30's... Change aint that bad sometimes.

....fair enough...maybe I was a little hypersensitive there

Are you comparing diabetics dying to polytrack?
WOW! I bet you were one of the 12 guys who liked new Coke also.

so if i don't believe in god i should like poly? or i shouldn't? not sure that it would matter one way or the other!!
after all, intelligent design would mean horses were created....sure doesn't look like eohippus out there to me!! where'd all the toes go?


lol just kidding a bit, i'm not trying to stir a darwin/evolution/creator/intelligent design discussion.


when you have tracks such as oaklawn and churchill, seems the others could have found a way to have a safe dirt track...or just go with turf, both all natural surfaces.

also, regarding breeding...if that bubble bursts a LOT of people are going to be out of business. a ton of them. you think coolmore and the sheik are bad for business now?? just wait til only the few are left, while the many are left wondering what the heck happened to their farms.


my 'you' above is directed to anyone who thinks that a few incredibly wealthy people are bad for the sport, not directed at cunningham....

it works...one of my favorite pictures...along with my own of course!!

Hey bro,
If the shoe fits........................

do you call a lot of people morons in real life as well? or just behind your computer.

And what was my SPECIFIC arguement AGAINST YOUR SPECIFIC KNOWLEGE OF POLYTRACK? Not of horse racing in general. Cmon man. Im a little more with it than that. Dont side issue me, and then get upset when I do the same. You did it again. You use the same complaint of my questioning and your own accomplished exactly the same thing. Stop with it. Its old and it does not wash with me. Come out straight and you will have no problems with me.

Zieg you are going to scare Patrick if you keep trying to use examples and facts that are outside his field of expertise.
Don't go using reasons like the possible financial disaster of the game to refute the religious reasons that horses should run on poly.

I don't believe you should consider me your bro, bro.

You're right..I shouldn't call names....I hate it when peopel do that too...I'll retract that comment because the truth is that I've never met you...

How about this instead:

The lack of substance in most of your posts makes you look stupid....maybe you're not really stupid..

Hey, I've done dumb and stupid things in my life....like everyday :D

Pat I'm always straight with you and don't have any problems with you.
But you really don't have any idea how you sound trying to lecture people about a business that they know. Like i said, the day I lecture you about science, you can call me a ****ing idiot and I will deserve it and accept it without complaint.

Yeah I can't wait until all of the tracks have poly and the sheikhs and coolmore and a few of the old bluebloods are left to dodge each other. :rolleyes:

Can you say return of the match race? 4 horse Grade 1's?

OK, since you seem to keep bringing up non-horse racing industry issues are you trying to make it easier for me to understand your point? You have wavered so far off what we were discussing earlier, from the high class name calling to natural disasters/warfare angles that I have no idea where you are going with this in relation to Polytrack and the Horse racing industry??

Take it easy, brah.

ok.. I'm sorry.

Ok, ok, I retract my statement about Cali and apologize for you taking the lighthearted jab very seriously.
But I have to tell you, based upon your insistence that Joel and others should see tragedy and avoid it, if you live near the fault line out there and an earthquake devestates the place, I ain't donating no money to a relief fund for iq challenged folks who should have known better than to live in a state with a major fault line and a history of earthquakes.
That sound logical to you?

i just really feel that if turfway and other tracks can't run in the middle of winter due to safety, they shouldn't run then!! obviously certain sports aren't made for certain times of the year. winter racing belongs in the deep south, not in places that have hard freezes.

dirt isn't the problem, the overall handling of the sport and it's athletes is the problem. kyroses mentioned breeding and drug practices above--she's right!! what about all the surgically corrected foals? what about the unsound horses being bred because they're fast, but made of glass? what about bleeders?? bute now being allowed everywhere?? those are the problems, not dirt!!

that's much better. Thanks.

Are you comparing the New Coke to Polytrack? God bless it man. Find something new. You are chasing your tail. You just constantly reinforce my assertation that you change arguements.

What about your article with sources on the greater % of injuries on Polytrack? That was much more in line with the original post than all your crazy offshoots. Dont always fall back on that crap I know more about the industry. This was not what was originally argued. quit changing paths. Its boring. I have never argued about your overall knowlege of the industry. Never. Thats why I read this board.

Pillow, maybe 4 starters but there will be a 3 horse betting interest and only two total betting interests. Guess you nail the exacta each time by boxing it.

yes.

and apology accepted.

I think the whole argument is some people see this as a tragedy and others see it as an opportunity for the industry to grow. Those are two factors that are arguable, but no fact will be known for years to come.