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King Glorious 11-09-2011 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 816633)
Who the hell would want to watch that?

Maybe a group of rapists?

philcski 11-09-2011 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 816629)
The thing is, he might not have committed the crimes, so technically he isn't a criminal. But, he knew what happened, never contacted the police and seemingly never followed up on the initial complaint. His lack of action enabled more kids to get tortured.

No excuse for something like that.

Agree with you- however I don't know the legalities of rape per se, but if you are a witness to a murder, and you don't report it, it is a crime in some states (Ohio for one). Same for rape possibly? (Talking just criminality, not morality)

dalakhani 11-09-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 816504)
clyde may be right. It is a position I have never been put in. We would all like to think we'd do the right thing. That's pretty much it. It's pure speculation as to whether we would or not. Personally if I was a boss and one of my employees said he saw a creepy retiree raping a child. I would tell my employee...."you need to call the police and tell them what you saw." I am pretty much certain I would not call the police in that scenario if I look at it honestly. I really didn't see anything. Of course no two scenarios are exactly alike. And this Penn State situation perhaps had a lot more involved and cover up than the situation I described.

Joe knew...at least since 1998. They all knew. I don't know how anyone can question that he covered it up and what his motives were for doing so.

He could have helped so many kids. Shame on him and everyone else that enabled this predator.

clyde 11-09-2011 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 816637)
Joe knew...at least since 1998. They all knew. I don't know how anyone can question that he covered it up and what his motives were for doing so.

He could have helped so many kids. Shame on him and everyone else that enabled this predator.

Blowhard.

hi_im_god 11-09-2011 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 816636)
Agree with you- however I don't know the legalities of rape per se, but if you are a witness to a murder, and you don't report it, it is a crime in some states (Ohio for one). Same for rape possibly? (Talking just criminality, not morality)

pretty much every state has laws making anyone whose profession brings them into regular contact with a vulnerable population (young children, elderly, disabled) mandated reporters of suspected abuse.

it's not a crime to observe abuse and not report it unless you fall into that category.

like you said. talking criminality, not morality.

horseofcourse 11-09-2011 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 816637)
Joe knew...at least since 1998. They all knew. I don't know how anyone can question that he covered it up and what his motives were for doing so.

He could have helped so many kids. Shame on him and everyone else that enabled this predator.

I believe you are likely right on that account. Which would account for the sudden Sandusky exit after 1999 season. It is killing me this whole thing. 4 of the best years of my life were spent at that place seeing over 20 games in Happy Valley at Beaver Stadium and my late Dad bought me the airplane ticket to go see the 1987 Fiesta Bowl National Championship game...i bought the ticket to the game...won a lottery in the student ticket thing!! Walking through local stores and seeing the "all proceeds go to Jerry's Kids" thing. The crreepiness level to me personally is beyond the pale. so sad. All of it. Believe me Sandusky was just as loved and worshipped as Paterno especially after the 1986 National Championship game. That was Sandusky's shining moment. Just sick.

clyde 11-09-2011 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 816639)
Blowhard.


Oh my God,Dahla...I thought you were The Philski.


My boo boo, I'm sorry.

horseofcourse 11-09-2011 11:00 PM

In hindsight, McQueary should have beaten the holy living crap out of Sandusky in the shower and called Officer Hill of the campus police! (that's the guy who questioned me in 1985 (shenanigans by someone I guess), not sure if Hill still around in '02!) I think that probably would have been the end of Sandusky's activities right there. McQueary's still the one I can't figure out in this whole thing. He's the one that actually saw it.

Calzone Lord 11-09-2011 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 816645)
McQueary's still the one I can't figure out in this whole thing. He's the one that actually saw it.

Not hard to figure out. Sandusky was almost as big a legend as Joe Pa himself.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAg9SdrJGXk


He was not some slap dick defensive coordinator ... he was a guy who could have had a head coaching job almost anywhere if he wanted it.

philcski 11-09-2011 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 816646)
Not hard to figure out. Sandusky was almost as big a legend as Joe Pa himself.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAg9SdrJGXk


He was not some slap dick defensive coordinator ... he was a guy who could have had a head coaching job almost anywhere if he wanted it.

Oh, he slapped some dicks alright.






Too soon? :o

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2011 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 816646)
Not hard to figure out. Sandusky was almost as big a legend as Joe Pa himself.

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAg9SdrJGXk


He was not some slap dick defensive coordinator ... he was a guy who could have had a head coaching job almost anywhere if he wanted it.


You got skills brother. Wasted in Erie with fat girls. Talking to me on FB and posting on DT.

Cannon Shell 11-10-2011 12:00 AM

Congrats Penn State students. Not only is your university now widely despised but your behavior shows you are a bunch of losers. Good luck getting a job with a degree from that cesspool.

Calzone Lord 11-10-2011 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 816650)
Congrats Penn State students. Not only is your university now widely despised but your behavior shows you are a bunch of losers. Good luck getting a job with a degree from that cesspool.

Chuck E. Cheese is always in need of mascots.



Calzone Lord 11-10-2011 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 816648)
You got skills brother. Wasted in Erie with fat girls. Talking to me on FB and posting on DT.

I don't fucl< around!

And at prices like these .... 25-cent beers...




You know I got fucl<ed the fucl< up.

And those are downtown prices in the big city bars crawling with black chicks right by the Occupy Erie protests.

After the drink special ended... I walked down to check out the Occupy Erie crowd in Perry Square. Told them Barack O'Bama was a Fried Chicken Hawk and a corporate right-wing shill from Kansas with a hell of a good tan. It made the hippie bitches wet.

Antitrust32 11-10-2011 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 816560)
Nah my morality would get the better of me after about 10 minutes of shock. Of course my morality is skewed and Sandusky could be in far more trouble than the police coming.

:tro:

Bigsmc 11-10-2011 04:40 AM

These morons kept quiet to protect their school, brand, program and what they did was destroy it. Had they called the cops immediately, the school would have had a bit of a scandal on their hands, but it would have blown over as soon as Sandusky went to jail. Not to mention how many kids that could have been saved from future torture.

So, by sweeping it under the rug, Joe Pa was able to keep on keeping on and more kids continued to be abused and now the whole thing crashes down. Arrogant assholes that think they are above the law and can handle things themselves.

I hope the Feds go after each and every one that knew anything about this and did nothing, including people in Sandusky's personal life. I do not know what legally can be done with the likes of Paterno, McQueary, et al, but I hope they live a miserable life, haunted by all the kids they could have saved by making a simple phone call to the authorities.

Bigsmc 11-10-2011 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 816650)
Congrats Penn State students. Not only is your university now widely despised but your behavior shows you are a bunch of losers. Good luck getting a job with a degree from that cesspool.

I wonder how those protesting students will feel 10-20 years from now, when they look their own 10 year old son in the eye.

horseofcourse 11-10-2011 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 816650)
Congrats Penn State students. Not only is your university now widely despised but your behavior shows you are a bunch of losers. Good luck getting a job with a degree from that cesspool.

Really?? Cesspool? That's pretty much incorrect. 100 percent. Generally I'm guessing the facts are that 99 percent of the student's "rioting" were not really rioting, and an overwhelmingly large percentage of students were not even "not rioting". It is only disappointing to me to see some many misinformed students defending the "establishment". IT's not really a cesspool

horseofcourse 11-10-2011 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 816658)
I wonder how those protesting students will feel 10-20 years from now, when they look their own 10 year old son in the eye.

Hopefully they all commit suicide as every single one of us was a perfect human being at age 18/19 etc. I mean perfect. Flawless. Not one silly thing ever done. Ever. Zero chance that at age 37 any of them will be at all different. Zero.

Dahoss 11-10-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 816693)
Hopefully they all commit suicide as every single one of us was a perfect human being at age 18/19 etc. I mean perfect. Flawless. Not one silly thing ever done. Ever. Zero chance that at age 37 any of them will be at all different. Zero.

Now I remembered why I despise reading this room. Thank god you never post in the paddock. I'm running out of rooms to read.

jms62 11-10-2011 10:11 AM

This is really clear to me now

2000 Penn State 5-6
2001 Penn State 5-7

It is public knowledge that they wanted him to retire at this point
and there was no way they could fire Joe PA


March 1, 2002 – A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002 – In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002 – Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

If he follows up and goes to the cops it gives the administration fuel to press him to retire or fire him.

JJP 11-10-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 816693)
Hopefully they all commit suicide as every single one of us was a perfect human being at age 18/19 etc. I mean perfect. Flawless. Not one silly thing ever done. Ever. Zero chance that at age 37 any of them will be at all different. Zero.

Maybe you were too stupid at 18 or 19 to realize that enabling pedophiles is sick but not all of us were.

RockHardTen1985 11-10-2011 10:16 AM

Just from the football point of view the guy has not won a National Championship since before I was born. His teams are always ranked but always overrated because of the name attached to it. When was the last really good team they had at Penn St? It was sad seeing an old man and his wife on the porch last night, even I felt a little bit bad. He deserved to be fired though, now he should just fall back and live the rest of his life peacefully.

jms62 11-10-2011 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 816724)
Just from the football point of view the guy has not won a National Championship since before I was born. His teams are always ranked but always overrated because of the name attached to it. When was the last really good team they had at Penn St? It was sad seeing an old man and his wife on the porch last night, even I felt a little bit bad. He deserved to be fired though, now he should just fall back and live the rest of his life peacefully.

2008 11-2, 2009 11-2, 2011 8-1

RockHardTen1985 11-10-2011 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 816725)
2008 11-2, 2009 11-2, 2011 8-1


2008 was the only team that had a National Championship shot. They managed to blow a game as 14.5 point road favorites.

RockHardTen1985 11-10-2011 10:33 AM

2010 they lost to every ranked team they played. Alabama, Iowa, Ohio St and Michigan St. They were blown out of 3 of those games and also blown out at unranked Illinois. Like I said they were not that good, but living off the past with high rankings.

2009 they lost to Iowa at home week 4. Basicley ending any National Championship chance. They also lost to Ohio St again. Nothing wrong with the year they had, but they were out of the National Championship race early on.

2008 I cant argue much here. They had a nice team this year, but once again find a way to blow a game at Iowa. I tryed looking it up, and Im pretty sure they were a 14.5 point road favorite.

This year... I dont think anyone would argue that the Big 10 is not down. Ohio St is rebuilding, Wisconsin was supposed to be good and they have blown 2 games. Penn St has played 1 ranked team and they could not move the ball at all, they looked like a high school team. They are the most fortunate 8-1 team EVER. They have stuggled with Temple, Indiana, Iowa, Purdue and Illinois... Everyone of those teams sucks. Now I get they might be able to rally because of the Joe Pa situation, but they are very likely to finish off 0-3. The thing that might save them from going 0-3 is that like I said earlier the Big 10 is down. Nebraska and Ohio St are not that good. Ill say very best case for them is 1-2 if they beat Nebraska in Happy Valley.

jms62 11-10-2011 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 816726)
Those teams had no National Championship impact at all. None.

Dude without a true playoff system National Championships are a joke. "When was the last really good team " 11-2 won't get you fired anywhere.

RockHardTen1985 11-10-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 816728)
Dude without a true playoff system National Championships are a joke. 11-2 won't get you fired anywhere.

I know, plus I changed that after I did some quick research.

horseofcourse 11-10-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 816719)
Now I remembered why I despise reading this room. Thank god you never post in the paddock. I'm running out of rooms to read.

Yeah, it's horrible of me to think that everyone out in the State College streets last night is not a despicable human being with no potential or future. Maybe I'll start posting in the paddock more. I saw my school called a cesspool. I simply disagreed and made some ironic points. The facts are you really don't know a single thing about me personally. It's a freaking message board.

horseofcourse 11-10-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 816715)
What they did was "silly"?

That is how you describe chanting and marching -- and, yes, according to at least one media type -- destroying property to defend a coach who wouldn't defend children being raped? He had the power to do something.

It's not like Paterno violated NCAA rules and was being railroaded out of town.

HE DID NOTHING TO STOP SANDUSKY.

"Silly" can describe a lot of college-age antics, but wanting Paterno to continue coaching after what happened this week is depraved.

Lots of things are depraved. We are trained to worship elites. I stated flat out paterno should be fired immediately as well as Spanier. Then man was a legend and a huge part of the university for 61 years. Gee, some disagreed with my opinion, many of them 19 year olds. No, you should not riot and a few did damage to the city and property. That is bad. The overwhelming majority did not.

We once had a presidential administration knowingly lie to get us into a war that has killed multiple thousands of human beings...including multiple thousands of Americans. They set up a world wide torture ring, knowlingly and proudly. There isn't a bit of outrage or anything. They walk around smiling and on TV most of the time. The facts are the majority of people in this country accept the torture of other human beings as a good thing, and we all think it's fine. Our current administration summarily executes US Citizens and no one blinks an eye. The last two administrations put people in gulags for "indefinite detention" forever if they so desire. No one blinks an eye. What went on at Penn State was depraved without question and is despicable up and down the chain. It does not make the place I attended college a cess pool. Just like I don't think the United States is a cess pool despite the last two administrations doing depraved things. So yeah, let's express outrage at several hundred 18 and 19 year old Penn State students protesting a firing of a legend. That's what's really important. AGain, I think their opinion is flat wrong but I certainly understand it.

So some 19 year old thinking Paterno shouldn't be fired is far down on my list of depraved things going on in this world. People have a right to express dismay at the Paterno firing although they shouldn't damage property doing it. I don't agree with their opinion but they certainly have a right to have it...thinking Paterno should not have been fired.

clyde 11-10-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JJP (Post 816723)
Maybe you were too stupid at 18 or 19 to realize that enabling pedophiles is sick but not all of us were.

And who the fucl< are you?

horseofcourse 11-10-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JJP (Post 816723)
Maybe you were too stupid at 18 or 19 to realize that enabling pedophiles is sick but not all of us were.

I'm sorry, how many of those 18 and 19 year old kids "rioting" were enabling pedophiles?? Maybe I was too stupid. I assure you that you did not know me at 18 or 19 nor do you know me now. You have a rightly high opinion of yourself which is good. It was really, really bad what happened. I agree with everyone on that. I simply understand people defending Paterno. the facts are he was not pure and complete evil for all 61 years at the University I attended and was well liked for the most part.

clyde 11-10-2011 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 816715)
What they did was "silly"?

That is how you describe chanting and marching -- and, yes, according to at least one media type -- destroying property to defend a coach who wouldn't defend children being raped? He had the power to do something.

It's not like Paterno violated NCAA rules and was being railroaded out of town.

HE DID NOTHING TO STOP SANDUSKY.

"Silly" can describe a lot of college-age antics, but wanting Paterno to continue coaching after what happened this week is depraved.


I know who the fucl< you be.



I'd love to see your rap sheet.

What would it say?


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Public nincompoopence.


Driving without a brain


Felonious horsey picking


Excessive buffoonery


Eddie Haskeling on public message boards


Walking like an Egyption


Concealed goat


Last kid piling on


Passed cretin test


Assault with intent to fail


Malfeasant exposure








...and so forth...

JJP 11-10-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 816737)
I'm sorry, how many of those 18 and 19 year old kids "rioting" were enabling pedophiles?? Maybe I was too stupid. I assure you that you did not know me at 18 or 19 nor do you know me now. You have a rightly high opinion of yourself which is good. It was really, really bad what happened. I agree with everyone on that. I simply understand people defending Paterno. the facts are he was not pure and complete evil for all 61 years at the University I attended and was well liked for the most part.

There is NO defending him. Anyone who is defending him is sick.

As for Clyde, to answer your question, I'm obviously not a pathetic prick like yourself.

clyde 11-10-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JJP (Post 816743)
There is NO defending him. Anyone who is defending him is sick.

As for Clyde, to answer your question, I'm obviously not a pathetic prick like yourself.



Uhm...it ain't so obvious fucl<face.

clyde 11-10-2011 11:34 AM

Who is this recycled basil root anyway??

Cannon Shell 11-10-2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 816737)
I'm sorry, how many of those 18 and 19 year old kids "rioting" were enabling pedophiles?? Maybe I was too stupid. I assure you that you did not know me at 18 or 19 nor do you know me now. You have a rightly high opinion of yourself which is good. It was really, really bad what happened. I agree with everyone on that. I simply understand people defending Paterno. the facts are he was not pure and complete evil for all 61 years at the University I attended and was well liked for the most part.

You have no bearing on the disgraceful behavior of the students last night. They are college age kids who rioted over a football coach deservedly being fired. Acting like this is ok because people do stupid things when they are in college is stupid. The facts are very simple. Paterno is a egotistical scumbag who put his "legacy" in front of protecting young children from being molested. The university was being run by criminals. A signifigant section of the student body are ignorant morons who deserve the scorn that is being thrust on them. The football program is destroyed and should be disbanded. Your school just moved to the head of the "most hated" team moving ahead of the U and Duke. The entire University will be tainted for a long time.

Or you can pretend that everything is cool in State College.

clyde 11-10-2011 12:11 PM

Oh my God...his horsey must have lost last night.

JJP 11-10-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 816751)
Oh my God...his horsey must have lost last night.

You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. A waste of space, blood and skin. A living breathing tumor. The world will be better when you are six feet under.


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