Do you not see both the irony and hypocrisy in what you just posted?

Your first post on this thread was not about the subject of this thread, but was a reference making fun of me regarding a subject on another thread.

You followed that up with your second post, calling me a hypocrite for something I've never said on these boards, and don't think (and an entirely different subject, again, than the subject of this thread)

And you refused to take back your name-calling when I pointed out your name-calling was not only unsupported by fact, but false based upon what I think.

Tell me about irony and hypocrisy, Dell. Lecture me about it. When you joined this thread with two posts that were only about about bashing me, with the second post also lying about my political opinion and falsely calling me a hypocrite.

Guess what? That makes you a jackass, Dell. Now please, make me laugh by going off on how hypocritical and how evil I am to call you a name.

strike two and this pitch is in the dirt. LMAO

eauxh!!






You muff puffer, you!!

Welcome to the "Jackass" club.:D

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=all#pagebreak


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and the beat goes on...

http://www.businessinsider.com/solar...ra-loan-2011-9


and on.....what a business plan!


http://www.businessinsider.com/gover...isaster-2011-9

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http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/o...1/03/id/416668

So the social security administration can't be privatized because Americans will 'risk' their retirement savings in the stock market yet the idiots in charge make 'investments' like this? And to think some want 'them' involved in healthcare.

LOL Tax the 1% !!!

i can't help but wonder if....

the feds decided to just take all the money they've spent on all these now failed programs, and put it all towards beefing up ss payments-would more retirement age people have retired or could retire, thereby forcing firms to hire, reducing unemployment, etc, etc...and actually having something useful come from all the spending?
perhaps instead of pushing to give money to states to hire teachers (money lasts one whole year), put it where it will make a real change.

and for crying out loud, states who allow public employees to 'retire' and then rehire them a month later, stop doing that! how does that put one unemployed person into a job?? it doesn't!

The feds simply distributed the $2.6 trillion it owes to SS benefactors and privatized SS? If an employee instead of paying 6.2% in a payroll tax was able to put it into a private investment account and their employer matched it? If instead of investing in things like Solyndra, bailing out failed banks and backing up Freddie and Fannie the money was invested in stocks, selected by the investor, gold or if desired, even T-Bonds?

The answer is obvious. SS taxes are the cash cow of the government. Allowing 12.4% back into private hands is unacceptable because we have wars and useless programs and companies to invest in. The only way government will ever cut anything is if the funds are made unavailable.

Under George W. Bush the National Debt rose $4.9 trillion in 8 years. In 3 years and nine months the National Debt has risen $4.4 trillion under Obama. No fear though as if he can maintain his current pace of $203 billion a month (October’s total) he’ll top the $5 trillion mark and do in four years what took Bush eight. If he maintains his current pace and is re-elected he’s on track for a $9.7 trillion second term debt and will not only double what Bush did to the debt but triple it.


Wall Street and the 1% are the wrong targets to protest.

knowing how wall street has been, and most likely will continue to be, stocks are not where i'd place money. not a mutual fund either. my pick right now would be some sort of permanent insurance fund with a reputable life insurance company. it's a guaranteed return, which you never get with stocks or funds, and most insurance offers a higher interest rate than any cd out there. another option would be an annuity, same safe investments, same guarantees on interest never dropping below a certain percentage. unless you have years to hope for a return for long term investments, stocks are off putting for many.
matter of fact, i read an article last week in the ny times that said many financial planners are also advocating permanent life insurance. where else can you get a guarantee?
ask your insurance agent to do a fund vs policy comparison if you have money in a cd. it's an eye opener.

You want to force private businesses to fund an employee's retirement account? What are you, a Marxist socialist libertarian? :D

Dell, people have been whining about privatizing social security since it's inception. That's not about helping people or making better retirement plans, that's just a talking point they feed you. It's about the Republican game plan of privatizing everything they can and getting their hands on your money (war contractors, etc).

Privatizing social security funds would be a huge financial windfall to Wall Street in management fees (automatically making the SS return on investment smaller).

And that's the only reason they want SS privatized. Get it?

For the account holders, it's a good thing Social Security has not been privatized, because the stock market would have wiped out people's retirements three times over. Look what it's done to matched-fund 401K's.

People used to have three methods of saving for retirement: personal savings (that paid 5% interest), company pension plan, and social security. Personal savings are gone, paying only 0.05% interest. Company pension plans are gone (and you're on that side, too, of eliminating those, with you being in favor of union-busting).

The only thing many have left is the success and safety of Social Security. Yes, Social Security is a massive success, and has decreased elder poverty exactly as it intended.

But you want to hand that money over to Wall Street, so they can steal that money via fees and management? BWAAAHAAAAAA !

If that plan would be successful, right now we'd be rolling in people who are privately rich, due to their Wall Street investments over the past 40 years.

Oh, wait. They've been wiped out.

And, your figure of 6.2% on "payroll tax" for Social Security is wrong. You have to eliminate the Medicare portion of that. So you want Medicare eliminated, too?

You want to go back to the massive elderly poverty and elderly illness we had before those very successful programs were instituted? That's exactly what you are proposing, in your faux Libertarian zeal to get the government out of your life. Thank goodness you and your ilk have been outvoted for the past many decades.

and the beat goes on, and the beat goes on......

Shocked!!!

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...ed-solyndra-wh

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ftfy, Let me guess, you haven't been in the workforce a bit.

and the beat goes on....

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybens...lie_under_oath

i've always worked, i can't imagine not working.

Key Republican backed loans to failed solar energy firm, too
 

Oh, it will be a pleasure to vote all of these losers out of office

Perhaps if a guy like George Kaiser, Obama's billionaire fundraiser, was a lead investor, like he was for Solyndra, it would have been approved like Solyndra was. Seventeen visits to the White House and Solyndra was never discussed. :wf

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the loan wasn't approved, however it appears that the Auburn Hills company outlasted Solyndra despite a $500 billion disadvantage. :tro:

The Fed is broke it does not need to be loaning or giving anyone, anything. Period!

Solyndra wasn't approved first, either. Then they came back with redone paperwork, and lied to the government, making them look better on paper than they were.

Yeah .. that whole, "lied to the government thing", is a problem for them. Not the government.

And I don't notice you getting your panties in a wad because the Waltons, of Wal-Mart fame, long-time conservative Republican supporters and donors, were right on the front line of Solyndra investment as huge backers.

Your pathetic attempt to blame Obama for this is beyond absurd, and everyone who knows the Solyndra timeline is awares of it. Go sell your silly Faux News-Daily Caller-Big Government nonsense elsewhere. People know better.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...CWN_story.html

The great pipeline sellout

In 2008, the slogan was “Yes We Can.” For 2011-12, it’s “We Can’t Wait.” What happened in between? Candidate Obama, the vessel into which myriad dreams were poured, met the reality of governance.

His near-$1 trillion stimulus begat a stagnant economy with 9 percent unemployment. His attempt at Wall Street reform left in place a still-too-big-to-fail financial system, as vulnerable today as when he came into office. His green-energy fantasies yielded Solyndra cronyism and a cap-and-trade regime not even a Democratic Congress would pass.



and at the end:


Nor is this the first time Obama’s election calendar trumped the national interest:

● Obama’s decision to wind down the Afghan surge in September 2012 is militarily inexplicable. It comes during the fighting season. It was recommended by none of his military commanders. It is explicable only as a talking point for the final days of his reelection campaign.

● At the height of the debt-ceiling debate last July, Obama pledged to veto any agreement that was not long-term. Definition of long term? By another amazing coincidence, any deal large enough to get him past Election Day (and thus avoid another such crisis next year).

●On Tuesday it was revealed that last year the administration pressured Solyndra, as it was failing, to delay its planned Oct. 28 announcement of layoffs until Nov. 3, the day after the midterm election.

A contemporaneous e-mail from a Solyndra investor noted: “Oddly they didn’t give a reason for that date.” The writer was obviously born yesterday. The American electorate was not — and it soon gets to decide who really puts party over nation and reelection above all.

We can’t wait.

And your ignorance to who George Kaiser is, the fact he is a billionaire and visited the White House more than Obama's blood family combined makes you once again the poster child of a chump!

Everyone doesn't know the Solyndra timeline but hopefully they will by the next election. And hopefully knowing who George Kaiser is will bring about the change Obama ran on, the first time.

:zz: I know who George Kaiser is. What is this even supposed to mean? You just say things that make no sense :D

Good grief. Maybe you'll learn it, too. The Energy Department eventually approved the loan (after Bush tried to get it pushed through without adequate due diligence, and Energy refused) after Solyndra lied to the government and falsified the additional paperwork Energy asked for. The majority of key investors in Solyndra were Republicans, btw.

The majority investor was George Kaiser. Show me the list of Republicans please.

BTW if your statement had any truth to it do you think Republicans would be pushing Chu and Co. as they are?

It's nice to see you admit your ignorance of the subject. I've posted that twice for you, here, previously.

Major investors included George Kaiser Foundation, U.S. Venture Partners, CMEA Ventures, Redpoint Ventures, Virgin Green Fund, Madrone Capital Partners, RockPort Capital Partners, Argonaut Private Equity, Masdar and Artis Capital Management.

You'll just have to do a little investigation, to see who owns all those investment companies. In fact, all you have to do is google "Solyndra", and ignore any hits off right-wing blogs.

Sigh ... the Republicans are desperate to try something, anything, to attack Obama for the election. But of course, that can't possibly be the reason the only people who think there is a "scandal" is Red State, Big Government, and Faux News.

Google said that it believed other institutions were better positioned to take its renewable energy efforts "to the next level."

LOL - "better positioned" than an internet company? Yeah, who would have thought that getting into the energy business was probably a step too far for an internet search engine? :D

Yeah they are just a small fish...

In the energy industry? Yes, they are.

Money doesnt know where its invested. They got out because they realized it was a bad investment, not because they dont have enough experience. At some point you have to believe the figures, not the political spin.

We have oil and coal industries that would not even be profitable without receiving the decades of massive federal subsidies that they do. Take away those federal handouts to oil and coal, the preferred companies of the rich, and see how fast "alternative energy" becomes very, very affordable.

Seriously? You dont think the "rich" would invest in "alternative energy" if it was profitable?

Using Google getting rid of several of their ancillary growth offshoots, including a strange foray into an entirely different field - energy - and refocusing the company on what they do - internet - is sure proof that the entire alternative energy field is non-profitable.

:D

There are plenty of people making profit off alternative energy. I guess not you?

Take away the massive federal subsidy enabling handouts to coal, oil and gas, and watch which "energy" becomes profitable. Good lord, talk about living off the government teat - that's the very definition of the oil, coal and gas industries.

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An amazing statement considering that virtually all alternative energy industries are almost exclusively propped up by Gov't subsidies.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...14-703789.html

http://news.yahoo.com/ldk-solar-repo...162048454.html

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...times-for-2012

Gainesville, Florida goes solar
 

Wind-Works.org

Solar and Wind only works because of the government subsidies. When they end - which will be very soon... those businesses will fall off a cliff.

Look for Natural Gas specifically Gas Turbine Combined Cycle Plants to boom. Look at the major players like Siemens, GE, MHI and Alstom it is exactly what they are positioning themselves for.

The good of it is that the natural gas path creates jobs....there is little or no after-market business with wind or solar. Even the initial construction is minimal as far as jobs are concerned for Wind and Solar.

If you let the free market prevail....it will...and it will be natural gas.