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jms62 05-10-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 775689)
I'm ashamed to say I had a small bet on Saratoga Red in that race. **** Lukas

Saratoga Red was training lights out up until that race. I had him and Fusa Code on my P4/DBL and P3... My first of many heartbreaks on Derby day.

justindew 05-10-2011 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 775687)
This from someone who took 4-1 on a bet that's being offered at more than 6-1. Do you have any other value plays for us today?

I'm not sure where you are going with this. I said 4-1 was a bad bet on AK in the TC. And I was planning to play against MMM. Losing a 4-1 shot will hurt the odds of the others. So, what exactly are you asking?

Kasept 05-10-2011 11:47 AM

Baffert appeared to give a green light to Midnight Interlude for Preakness earlier on ATR..

randallscott35 05-10-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 775728)
Baffert appeared to give a green light to Midnight Interlude for Preakness earlier on ATR..

He's done enough.

tjfla 05-10-2011 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 775729)
He's done enough.

According to Pimlico,Midnight Interlude,Isn't He Perfect,and Harlan's Hello are all being considered for the race

According to DRF,The Factor is going to the Woody Stephens and Prime Cut to the Peter Pan

10 pnt move up 05-10-2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 775700)
He should have looked at the Alydar, then the Affirmed and Swaps before getting back on grass for the Del Mar meet.

You'd think the performances of Midnight Interlude and Comma To The Top would have scared him off.

If they really want to be part of the big time, they could have sent him to Kentucky when he was on the bubble for the Derby and used the American Turf as an alternate spot, kinda like Setsuko last year.

No shame in running second to Banned.

He is a turf horse, I hope they just stay at HP.

Kasept 05-10-2011 02:36 PM

Looks like Neil Howard is taking Prime Cut to the Peter Pan..

Kasept 05-10-2011 02:48 PM

Ken McPeek has come forth with intentions to enter Casper's Touch in the Preakness.

blackthroatedwind 05-10-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 775750)
Ken McPeek has come forth with intentions to enter Casper's Touch in the Preakness.

I guess with Frankel opting for the St. James Palace instead of the Derby he had to go to Plan B.

Kasept 05-10-2011 03:08 PM

PROSPECTIVE PREAKNESS FIELD

Committed:

1. Animal Kingdom
2. Dialed In
3. Shackleford
4. Astrology
5. Concealed Idenity
6. Dance City
7. Flashpoint
8. King Congie
9. Mucho Macho Man
10. Sway Away
11. Midnight Interlude
12. Mr. Commons


Possible

Isn’t He Perfect


Doubtful

Nehro


In case the Preakness overfills, the criteria determining eligibility is as follows: first seven starters, graded earnings; next four starters, non-restricted stakes earnings; last three starters, total earnings.

Entries for the 1 3/16-mile race will be drawn May 18 under the traditional pill-pull method.

RolloTomasi 05-10-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 775756)
I guess with Frankel opting for the St. James Palace instead of the Derby he had to go to Plan B.

I love when Ken McPeek makes an announcement of any kind now.

tjfla 05-10-2011 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 775758)
PROSPECTIVE PREAKNESS FIELD

Possible

Mr. Commons
Santiva
Saratoga Red
Harlan’s Hello
Isn’t He Perfect

Lukas said yesterday that Saratoga Red has been withdrawn from Preakness consideration

AeWingnut 05-10-2011 09:24 PM

my early selection is

Dance City then Animal Kingdom

so auto toss

pba1817 05-10-2011 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 775427)
There is something VERY strange about the fractions in the routes, at least this weekend, at Churchill.

What do you find strange?

analyizethis 05-11-2011 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 775758)
PROSPECTIVE PREAKNESS FIELD

Committed:

1. Animal Kingdom
2. Dialed In
3. Shackleford
4. Astrology
5. Concealed Idenity
6. Dance City
7. Flashpoint
8. King Congie
9. Norman Asbjornson
10. Sway Away
11. Midnight Interlude
12. Casper's Touch


Possible

Mr. Commons
Santiva
Harlan’s Hello
Isn’t He Perfect


Doubtful

Nehro
Mucho Macho Man


In case the Preakness overfills, the criteria determining eligibility is as follows: first seven starters, graded earnings; next four starters, non-restricted stakes earnings; last three starters, total earnings.

Entries for the 1 3/16-mile race will be drawn May 18 under the traditional pill-pull method.

It sure looks like a lot of pace lined up for this one. Shackleford, Flashpoint and Dance City are all confirmed front end runners and since I have not reviewed all the pps there could be more. As long as he doesn't react to coming back in two weeks AK should sit in the second tier and even if they don't back up to him he has shown he can outclose this group. The question is wheather or not Dialed In will be close enough to make an impact. In the KD he closed in under :24 in each of the last two quarters but was way too far away. Given the "kit gloves" way he has been handled I'd be concerned about him coming back in two weeks also.

XIIPointStables 05-11-2011 05:02 PM

RE: Mucho Macho Man...

Any further word? Just read Grening/Privman notes, no mention of bypassing the Preakness?

http://www.drf.com/news/preakness-an...rrival-pimlico

Kasept 05-11-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables (Post 776004)
RE: Mucho Macho Man...

Any further word? Just read Grening/Privman notes, no mention of bypassing the Preakness?

http://www.drf.com/news/preakness-an...rrival-pimlico

Kathy Ritvo said the internet report was wrong. They're still pointing for Preakness.

Kasept 05-11-2011 07:50 PM

PREAKNESS FIELD -- RANKED BY FIELD STANDARDS

In case the Preakness overfills, the criteria determining eligibility is as follows: first seven starters, graded earnings; next four starters, non-restricted stakes earnings; last three starters, total earnings.

Entries for the 1 3/16-mile race will be drawn May 18 under the traditional pill-pull method.



Graded Earnings

1. Animal Kingdom
2. Dialed In
3. Midnight Interlude
4. Mucho Macho Man
5. Shackleford
6. Astrology
7. Santiva

------------------------
8. King Congie
9. Flashpoint
10. Mr. Commons
11. Norman Asbjornson
12. Ruler On Ice



Non-restricted Earnings

A. (8) King Congie
B. (9) Flashpoint
C. (10) Mr. Commons
D. (11) Norman Asbjornson

-------------------------
E. Ruler On Ice
F. Dance City
G. Sway Away
H. Concealed Identity


Overall Earnings

a. (12) Ruler On Ice
b. (13) Dance City
c. (14) Sway Away

-------------------------
d. Concealed Identity
e. Isn't He Perfect
f. Saratoga Red

tjfla 05-12-2011 12:59 PM

Nehro is back to possible for the Preakness

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/postti...uTNUd58NChAHkP

Kasept 05-12-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 776111)
Nehro is back to possible for the Preakness

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/postti...uTNUd58NChAHkP

Zayat will fly to Louisville to watch Nehro work Monday morning and then decide whether to ship to Baltimore.

Oy vey. Hey Ahmed, here's a wacky, nutty idea... How about you leave that up to Asmussen and Blasi?

Alan07 05-12-2011 03:17 PM

Casper's Touch dropped from consideration for the Preakness by the McPeek barn today.

Kasept 05-12-2011 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 776133)
Casper's Touch dropped from consideration for the Preakness by the McPeek barn today.

Harlan's Hello too.

blackthroatedwind 05-12-2011 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 776144)
Harlan's Hello too.

Is he going to the St. James Palace as well?

randallscott35 05-12-2011 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 776118)
Zayat will fly to Louisville to watch Nehro work Monday morning and then decide whether to ship to Baltimore.

Oy vey. Hey Ahmed, here's a wacky, nutty idea... How about you leave that up to Asmussen and Blasi?

Tough to feel important at home

Merlinsky 05-13-2011 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 776118)
Zayat will fly to Louisville to watch Nehro work Monday morning and then decide whether to ship to Baltimore.

Oy vey. Hey Ahmed, here's a wacky, nutty idea... How about you leave that up to Asmussen and Blasi?

There's no need to be the Jerry Jones of horse racing, and sometimes I think it's hard to tell which owner's gonna win the Eclipse for Outstanding Trainer in Their Own Mind. If you don't trust your trainer to do the job you want, get a different trainer. I've heard that Barclay Tagg would sooner tell an owner to go jump than put up with that behavior for very long. I think it was some book or article on Funny Cide where he admitted to telling some owner that they'd be better off using a different trainer.

Well, it could be worse. Zayat could be micromanaging Asmussen & Blasi over a horse named Z Nehro, expressing concern about Pimlico's turns vs. Churchill's. (I haven't heard anybody say Pim's turns are tighter yet. It doesn't feel like Preakness time til someone starts swearing up and down that they are.)

I can understand if it's really just an effort to feel useful rather than acting as a silent partner of sorts. The less you're around the horse, the less fun you might feel you're having. Show up, give the horse a snack and pat on the neck (unless your horse is Midnight Interlude, in which case stay a safe distance away), talk to the trainer in person after the work instead of on the phone, then go home. Maybe throw in some thoughts on types of races you'd like to run in so the trainer knows you're more interested in as far as your overall operation's concerned, but you're paying the trainer to condition and point to races, so let them do it. Ask for options where you make the final call if you want, but let them pick the options.

pba1817 05-13-2011 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 776195)
There's no need to be the Jerry Jones of horse racing, and sometimes I think it's hard to tell which owner's gonna win the Eclipse for Outstanding Trainer in Their Own Mind. If you don't trust your trainer to do the job you want, get a different trainer. I've heard that Barclay Tagg would sooner tell an owner to go jump than put up with that behavior for very long. I think it was some book or article on Funny Cide where he admitted to telling some owner that they'd be better off using a different trainer.

Well, it could be worse. Zayat could be micromanaging Asmussen & Blasi over a horse named Z Nehro, expressing concern about Pimlico's turns vs. Churchill's. (I haven't heard anybody say Pim's turns are tighter yet. It doesn't feel like Preakness time til someone starts swearing up and down that they are.)

I can understand if it's really just an effort to feel useful rather than acting as a silent partner of sorts. The less you're around the horse, the less fun you might feel you're having. Show up, give the horse a snack and pat on the neck (unless your horse is Midnight Interlude, in which case stay a safe distance away), talk to the trainer in person after the work instead of on the phone, then go home. Maybe throw in some thoughts on types of races you'd like to run in so the trainer knows you're more interested in as far as your overall operation's concerned, but you're paying the trainer to condition and point to races, so let them do it. Ask for options where you make the final call if you want, but let them pick the options.

When you are the one signing the checks, you do whatever f*ck you want...

Duvalier 05-13-2011 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 776196)
When you are the one signing the checks, you do whatever f*ck you want...

That worked out well with JP's Gusto

blackthroatedwind 05-13-2011 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 776196)
When you are the one signing the checks, you do whatever f*ck you want...

Another fine example of a litmus test poster.

ateamstupid 05-13-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 776260)
I preferred Merlinsky's stance.

It's just a knee-jerk reaction of his after blindly defending the Mosses all of last year.

Alan07 05-13-2011 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 776144)
Harlan's Hello too.

Just won the 7th at Belmont and paid $43.

analyizethis 05-13-2011 03:26 PM

What kind of odds would anyone give me on a proposition bet that less than half of the non-winning runners from this year’s Derby will ever win another race?

Kasept 05-13-2011 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 776272)
Just won the 8th at Belmont and paid $43.

The 7th actually.

Merlinsky 05-13-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 776265)
It's just a knee-jerk reaction of his after blindly defending the Mosses all of last year.

To whom are you referring? :confused:

pba1817 05-14-2011 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 776203)
That worked out well with JP's Gusto

I didn't say it works... but if the guy who is writing the checks doesn't feel like he is making the calls, you wont be working for him for very long. Regardless of the industry..

Alan07 05-14-2011 02:04 PM

Concealed Identity will run in the $100,000 James W. Murphy Stakes (Race 5) if not entered in the Preakness.

NTamm1215 05-14-2011 03:03 PM

According to HRTV Santiva will not run in the Preakness.

Indian Charlie 05-14-2011 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 776455)
According to HRTV Santiva will not run in the Preakness.

Damn, I like Sativa too.

blackthroatedwind 05-14-2011 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 776486)
Thank God, as I actually like Sativa.


FTFY.

Indian Charlie 05-14-2011 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 776486)
Damn, I like Sativa too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 776489)
FTFY.

I don't really like SANTIVA. I was saying I like Sativa. Huge difference, as I'm very confident you already know.


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