It's like comparing tennis players who excelled on carpet to those who did on grass.

Remind me of the last "prep" fight Mayweather had. The champion takes on the #1 contender to the belt, not a bunch of scrubs he used to beat up in his neighborhood gym.

Besides, how many f'ing preps does she need for the Classic? If she's "prepping" in June for the Breeders' Cup Classic, that doesn't say much for her condition.

RHT1985 would i'm sure.

I still dont understand when Zenyatta has raced in the East????

As far as I know.. or at least when I look at a map, Arkansas is NOT "in the East". East of Cali, yes, but thats about it!

Soon Zenyatta will be shipping to Turf Paradise, so she can race in the East!

Arapahoe Park is the East!

If that were true, I'd completely agree with you, Danzig. If it's just an argument about whether she's THE all-time best mare, I'll be the first to look at the choice of races, the level of competition. (As an aside that Cannon Shell might appreciate, I never forgave Floyd Patterson for the way he ducked Liston and others for so many years.)

But people here are denying that Zenyatta is even one of the best fillies/mares we've seen in the last 30 years. That is patently ridiculous, IMO.

So, rather than celebrating the fact that two of the best fillies of our time have mangaged to stay healthy and out of the breeding shed, we have countless posts tearing down one or the other.

--Dunbar

I would Like to thank everyone who has made a post in this thread it definitely has made entertaining reading since i have gotten in from the barn this AM.:D:D

OOOOOOOOOO

^ for Steve Byk.

Those Paulick Posters are a whole new level of moron.

They're not even taking her out of her stall to walk a couple hundred yards to race in the Hollywood Gold Cup at her home track at her "preferred" distance. What Rocky Mountains exist between her stall and the race track at Hollywook Park?

Damn Steve! You were Pissed!
Best part of the interview was when you hung up on Davidowitz.Enjoyed the logical talk wit Seth.

you probably enjoy preseason football as well

Given that you seem to think there is no chance she is running in the BC Classic, how about giving me 2-1? That should be pretty easy money for you, if you're so sure she's staying in California.


--Dunbar

Once out of 10 maybe.

I have him 47th

:tro:

I dont see anyone denying that she is one of the best mares that we have seen. The fact is that thay have/had a chance to make the point that she arguably could be the best but would rather hang their hat on a meaningless win streak. It isnt a coincidence that this winning streak stuff came about recently. If Mr Frisky had been injured and retired after winning the SA Derby and 16 in a row would we have been proclaiming him one of the all time greats?

And when a dudes nickname is "Pretty boy" you have to assume that ducking is in his nature

Nobody knows how good Zenyatta really is because of how she has been protected by the Mosses/Sheriffs. She is impossible to judge and super fans and haters are going to continue to make ridiculous comparisons or unfairly trash her because of it. Fans and doubter should all be in agreement that it's time to see her really challenged and give us some perspective on her career.

The Mosses have their meaningless 17 in a row record so there is no reason to hold back anymore. If they want to keep her undefeated, then retire her now, because she nearly lost to a juiced up cripple last weekend on her home track. That would have done much more to tarnish her rep then a loss to Rachel or QR or even Blame on the dirt. She should have been in the Foster running against males on the BC track if they are really preparing for a BCC defense. This Vanity-Hirsch-Lady's Secret pupu platter every year is ridiculous.

Ship her and run the Whitney - Woodward - BCC and see how good she really is. QR is going to run all three and I believe Blame is pointed towards the Whitney. Since Rachel appears to be back in form, that windbag Jess Jackson should do the same thing. If the Mosses and Jess Jackson really want to do something for the sport instead of talking a big game, then getting the best horses and biggest names running against each other multiple times would do it.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/byk-disses-zenyatta/

I must say, I'm more in the Steve Davidowitz camp...

Hah.

When BP was past his prime, maybe.

Not at the top of his game.

This from the genius who would've advised the hairpiece guy to put the $100k on Line of David instead of Super Saver in the Derby … LMAO


Well, I see this WC was 8 for 19 lifetime (42%) … not exactly the stuff of legends

Looks like she got brave while running loose on the lead in the annual crapshoot at CD and was able to hang on (barely) at the end for the fluky W.

Not surprisingly, she proceeded to get her butt kicked in the Preak and Bel.

I'll keep digging … but not real impressed so far.


Good thing Z didn't have to face a killer like this…

Isn't the sport doing a fine enough job of its own on that front?

[/b]You have to be fucl<ing kidding me!!!

Good luck in Bowl season this year.

:tro:

you aren't impressed with a filly winning the derby over the likes of forty niner, risen star, seeking the gold, private terms, brians time and others. but winning a race over gio ponti and twice over does impress you?

seems warped to me.

Everything She Does Is Magic.

Zenyatta has crossed the Mississippi, I must had missed that.

Yes, shame on Moss for annoucing Zenyatta's retirement while keeping her in training, then announce in late January that they were going to the Apple Blossom.

Wow running 2 dirt races in 3 years means they excel? interesting. Why did they skip last year's Apple Blossom?

(Hey Riot, this is how you seperate a post)

......And why in the heck is the thoroughbredracingradionetwork site down?

Winning Colors won twice as many races against the boys as Zen did. I believe she won your precious Santa Anita Derby(which is an irrelevant race nowadays) At least she tried and campaigned against the boys unlike what Zen does. She took on the BEST male and female horses, EVERYTIME

You can't be this stupid. It has to be an act - congrats, you've won an Oscar.

Yeah she didn't just win the Santa Anita Derby...she strapped it on and bent that field over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Y2bmxqB7o

In that Santa Anita Derby she beat Big Cap winner Ruhlman, millionaire Lively One who won the Swaps and Goodwood, and Tejano. She only lost the Preakness by 2.5 lengths, which was quite an accomplishment considering the steps Woody Stephens took to ensure she did not win.

That last part is the first sensical thing you've ever said about Zenyatta on here, even though you didn't mean it.

Actually, I think he is on track to easily making that list. 50 over 25 years, so an average of 2 a year in an age when horses race less and less and many great 3yo's are sent to the breeding shed. He's set 3 track records in a short career. How many others can say that since 1985?

I was actually trying to think of 49 horses superior to Quality Road going a route of ground since 1990, and I think we could probably come up with a pretty good list. Quality Road would be aiming for listed stakes or would be probably pacesetter fodder in the 96-98 or so years.

Zenyatta did cross the Mighty Mississipp once, though she was kindly kept in her stall rather than run on that awful muddy track!

That Ouija Board was only 10 for 22 lifetime! Hardly the stuff of legend!

The prospect of facing superstar Miss Isella was a daunting one.

John Henry sucked.

Gallorette won a measly 21 times in 72 starts. And she only beat Stymie once and - gasp! - ran against Triple Crown winner Assault. Hall pass revoked!

Don't even get me started on Princess Doreen, Lady's Secret, Susan's Girl, or Shuvee. Bums, they're all bums.

I can think of 5 from 2003 alone, and I'm not sure this is an all-time year:

Mineshaft, Candy Ride, Congaree, Medaglia d'Oro, and Pleasantly Perfect