Go Hang Glide!

I predict that even Pepper's Pride finally realizes how unworthy she is, and tanks the race on purpose.

Can't we take up a collection and ship someone in and kick her ass?

You and Chuck could probably put on a horse suit and beat her.
The only thing is, were either of you born in New Mexico?

That can be arranged

:wf

So let me get this straight.....

Some people complain about early retirements. She's 5 anyway...

Some complain that connections don't actually race their horses enough...

She's won how many races now?

Good for racing? Check. Nice human interest angle... local girl makes good. New fans have to come from somewhere.

On the flipside she's somehow earned the wrath of some people (?).

Yeah that makes a whole lotta sense.

Maybe it's me... maybe I'm crazy.

And some complain when horses duck competition, and that's exactly what is going on here. Hasn't she run over a 90 Beyer before? Why not take a shot in open company?

Exactly....

Gee cuz winning every race just isnt good enough, lets take a shot at open company get trounced and make less money:zz: . IF it aint broke dont fix it.

Winning means nothing if it is against nothing. If USC dropped out of the P10 and exclusively scheduled 12 D3 opponents each year would anyone be impressed if they set the record for most consecutive wins and wouldn't there be a backlash against them for playing no one?

Bad example. USC would still find a way to blow one game a year against one of those D3 opponents.

Good point. So I guess Pepper's Pride is at least better than USC.

That makes really no sense at all to compare a horse race which runs for a purse and a football game that doesnt. The horse isnt playing towards a national championship.

Let me use Lucky Island for example. WAS a great horse until he stumbled out of the gate 2 back at Saratoga and learned how to lose. Look at the horses last race, ran up the track again. Once a horse finally loses a race and sees nothing changes they dont have the will to win anymore. Why risk getting the horse beat???

Im almost 1000% posititive, lets call it 999% that the connections could care less if you are "impressed" or not with how many races they win in a row and how they do it. Im sure all they care about is keeping the horse sound and winning everytime they race.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

We may have the most flagrant abuse of the word "great" of all time.

I don't presume to know why people make the choices they do... isn't there a chance that this is just good enough? That her connections are comfortable with this?

I can understand questioning their choices but NOT the disdain...

If thats all you can come back with on top of your completely ignorant postings lets try a really good sprinter. Horse will never be the same again. But according to you instead of maybe stepping the horse down to get his act back together he should go right to the breeders cup sprint because hey if he aint beating the best he aint beating anyone right???

I couldn't care less what her connections are comfortable with. What I do care about is people placing any importance on this feat and possibly even considering that it should count as the record for most consecutive wins. That is where the disdain comes in.

He won a G3 and a G2 and got beat back to back races when moving to G1 company. You have to be kidding.

... and there's nothing wrong with that.

It must be quite a thrill..... hope she wins again.

C'mon Sniper... you're better than that. You're a very sharp guy and I've learned a lot from you.

In terms of historical perspective no one is gonna remember her as more than a sidebar..... no one is saying she's a great.

Why is it so hard to accept her record for what it is?

Yea and he went what was it 50-1 in both those races??? I think not. As I recall at Saratoga he was the HEAVY HEAVY favorite and guess what wasnt he the favorite last time out also. So im thinking that this horse was suppost to be a little bit more so I dont want to hear that excuse.

He broke poorly at Saratoga and lost all chance. This past race he was the favorite until late in the wagering which was absolutely ridiculous with a horse like Fabulous Strike in the field. Obviously though he was ruined by his previous loss and it could have nothing to do with the better competition or the slop.

And I'm not really sure how this is relevant at all. If Pepper's Pride ran in open company and lost then no one would care if she returned to NM bred races. I just think it is silly that they aren't even giving her the shot and that people actually care about the streak when it is against NM breds.

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

... beacuse the reality is she's not gonna take their place, historically speaking.

People aren't stupid. They're never gonna compare her with the greats.

She'll be a nice, little aside.

Heaven forbid she takes that record away form Mister Frisky and Hallowed Dreams too!!!:eek: How come you didnt mention them?? Any horse that wins 17 races in a row deserves the record. Oh and by the way in case people dont know this 12 of the wins were in stakes races. Albeit against NM breds but its not like she racing in 4000 claiming races and mopping up old broken down horses.

Really?

So if other horses also share in the record, then it doesn't make sense to want Citation to still hold a part of it? What kind of logic is that exactly?

I really don't get why this is so hard for people to grasp. Somebody has to have this record. I would rather Citation and Cigar have it (or at least a part of it) than Pepper's Pride have it. When Brett Favre and Peyton Manning were approaching some of Dan Marino's records in recent years, I rooted against them too. It wasn't anything personal against them, I'm just a fan of Dan Marino.

If people want to cheer for her, fine. But some people seem to be under the assumption that everyone simply MUST cheer for her. Well........no, in fact they don't.

Peppers Pride overcame being soundly bumped in the first turn of the $75,000 Foutz Distaff Handicap at SunRay Park in Farmington, N.M. on Saturday to win her 16th straight race and tie the modern mark for consecutive victories by a North American-based Thoroughbred.

This is just the beginning of one article. Since whe do 4 claimers race for $75000.
The race before that was worth 100k.

A full sister to stakes winner Desert Pride, Peppers Pride is out of the stakes-placed Chili Pepper Pie mare Lady Pepper. Peppers Pride's sire, Desert God, is out of Blush with Pride, dam of Broodmare of the Year Better Than Honour. She has amassed 12 stakes wins, all in races restricted to New Mexico-breds and $861,665 in purse earnings.

Well there's where I saw the 12 stakes wins, so how is that inaccurate??????????? and since when do horses of 4k claimer caliber make close to a million dollars???


Please tell me how I am spreading inaccuracies.

If you want to explain why you want to see her break the record, and argue that others should too....fine.
But come on, don't try to convince people that she is actually a good horse.

800k in earnings? YAY!!! That just puts her a half million behind Supah Blitz.

Nobody said you must cheer for the horse but you have to admit winning 17 races in a row is very difficult. And the reason I put those other in there was to cheapen the record for you, its not the end all of records. Two other horses that many people have never heard of share the record with them. So its not the the single season home run record is being broken here.

I don't hate Pepper's Pride.

But the only reason she's not a claiming horse is because of the circuit she's in. Take her to Santa Anita and she'd be a 50,000 claimer. :$: :$:

Well then why dont people in California take their 50k claimer to NM win 20 races in a row and make over a mil with all their horses. That would be the smart thing to do wouldnt it.

Oh I don't know.....maybe because.....MOST OF THEM AREN'T NEW MEXICO BREDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I apologize for my ignorance earlier. I can see you clearly know what you are talking about here.

Sir, I am a veteran member of this thread that has now gone on for close to a year, and I can promise you that using this sort of logic and rational thought will get you nowhere here.

Seems like there's a fairly clear way to look at it.

Can't everyone admit that she's a neat little horse with a bit of remarkable consistency?

I sure can. She obviously shows up everytime they lead her to post, which is cool, and she's never once tossed in a real clunker, which is also cool because even the good ones usually toss in a bad race every now and then.

Ok, now, it's worth noting....she's just not that good. Her consistency, while admirable for just that, is that she's just consistently good enough to beat NM-bred runners. Her owner has made it clear that he's got no illusions of her being on the same plane as Cigar or Citation, and nobody else should either.

So yea, it's a neat little feat she's pulled here while taking advantage of very suspect competition and a pretty generous statebred program down there in NM. If I owned her, I wouldn't run her anywhere else either, when I could just take the free money in NM.

But I imagine she would be hard pressed to duplicate this success in just about any other state's statebred program. She certainly wouldn't run that streak off here in Chicago against IL statebreds, and we're not even close to the top of the heap.

So, in conclusion....cute, good for her, good for her owners, I hope she keeps winning and then I, along with everyone else, will forget about her in two years.

now that just makes too much sense..

I'm a big fan of Pepper's Pride, Joel Marr and Joe Allen, so I won't get into a fight about the story here. I had Marr on 'At the Races' when Pepper won her 11th or 12th straight as it became clear she was a big talent.





Marr and his whole family work the New Mexico-West Texas QH/TB circuit. His folks, wife, brother and sister in law, children. All are involved in their operation. That's him ponying Pepper below.





Joe Allen owns Abilene's best BBQ/Steak house and cleverly found sire Desert God and is developing a NM-bred dynasty. He's a guy to admire. I had him on ATR while he was driving to Riudoso.





If people can't see the charm and beauty in Pepper's Pride and this story, they really aren't appreciative of the heritage and lifestyle involved in breeding, raising, training and racing horses.