Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   Triple Crown Topics/Archive.. (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9)
-   -   136th Kentucky Derby (PP's) (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35722)

philcski 04-28-2010 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 640797)
I don't know that Sidney's Candy's draw is as problematic as Lookin at Lucky's. The 20-hole may force him to let Line of David and Conveyance go and sit off third/fourth, which was his only chance to win anyway.

Agreed. Just a matter of how much ground he can save going into the first turn. I think it's an ok draw, especially for a horse that has never taken dirt before, might actually help him settle without getting splattered.

MaTH716 04-28-2010 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 640800)
Stupid question:

Are these the actual post positions or just the draw? I thought they had(used to have?) some stupid TV special for the draw at night.

Actual posts.

parsixfarms 04-28-2010 11:33 AM

I realize that she was green in the Bonnie Miss, but what's the reason for Pletcher putting blinkers on Devil May Care?

kgar311 04-28-2010 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 640793)
CA phucked!

They were ****ed the day Poly was installed

MaTH716 04-28-2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 640802)
Agreed. Just a matter of how much ground he can save going into the first turn. I think it's an ok draw, especially for a horse that has never taken dirt before, might actually help him settle without getting splattered.

Very tough spot for Talamo to make his Derby debut.

parsixfarms 04-28-2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 640802)
Agreed. Just a matter of how much ground he can save going into the first turn. I think it's an ok draw, especially for a horse that has never taken dirt before, might actually help him settle without getting splattered.

Why do I see him getting the Brother Derek trip?

lemoncrush 04-28-2010 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 640800)
Stupid question:

Are these the actual post positions or just the draw? I thought they had(used to have?) some stupid TV special for the draw at night.

They changed it this year. Simple, just like a normal draw.
These are the actual posts.

Indian Charlie 04-28-2010 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 640783)
WOW! 1986 since the last rail horse won.

Usually there are twenty, or near twenty, starters in the derby.

1986+20=2006.

Doesn't seem so horrible to me.

ateamstupid 04-28-2010 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 640799)
They both bad!! Just saying Sidney's Candy will have trouble getting over and LAL will at least have a little space with Ice Box next to him until the ALL fall on him

I don't know what you mean by "getting over," but if you mean getting to the rail, yes, that will be near impossible. But he doesn't need to do that. He's got enough speed to get a decent position into the turn while sitting just off the lead, and like I said, that was his best shot to win anyway.

And what if Ice Box breaks inward? Assuming that LaL even gets out of the gate cleanly is assuming that nobody in the first five posts or so breaks inward.

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 640802)
I think it's an ok draw, especially for a horse that has never taken dirt before, might actually help him settle without getting splattered.

Precisely.

philcski 04-28-2010 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 640808)
Very tough spot for Talamo to make his Derby debut.

Video review for him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBeoZUsnXdc

cakes44 04-28-2010 11:36 AM

The 1-hole is not good for LAL, but I think it will at least force Gomez to pull him back and make one big run, which I would think is the way he needs to run to win this race anyway.

slotdirt 04-28-2010 11:39 AM

I think Lookin at Lucky will be fine where he is. I also think post position is overrated considering what Big Brown did a couple years ago, or how posts 18-20 ran like 2-4-5 in the 2005 Derby. If you like Sidney's Candy, good for you, you're going to get much better odds on him based on his position.

ARyan 04-28-2010 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 640818)
I think Lookin at Lucky will be fine where he is. I also think post position is overrated considering what Big Brown did a couple years ago, or how posts 18-20 ran like 2-4-5 in the 2005 Derby. If you like Sidney's Candy, good for you, you're going to get much better odds on him based on his position.

Lucky will find trouble again, and keep running, and will find the board, but I can't play him to win. Not at the price, not in a post that is going to assure he once again finds trouble.

randallscott35 04-28-2010 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARyan (Post 640823)
Lucky will find trouble again, and keep running, and will find the board, but I can't play him to win. Not at the price, not in a post that is going to assure he once again finds trouble.

I agree wholeheartedly. I think he will run well but not win and he's an underlay in here considering he isn't even as fast as American Lion who is 30-1.

dalakhani 04-28-2010 11:48 AM

Conveyance drew nice. Lets just say he relaxes a little. I don't see any horse in here that is much better.

randallscott35 04-28-2010 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 640835)
Conveyance drew nice. Lets just say he relaxes a little. I don't see any horse in here that is much better.

Agree as well. Turning for home, in the slop, maybe he gets away.

randallscott35 04-28-2010 11:51 AM

SC will be a lot higher than 5-1. Battaglia is smoking something with that line. My guess. 10-1 out there.

ateamstupid 04-28-2010 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 640839)
SC will be a lot higher than 5-1. Battaglia is smoking something with that line. My guess. 10-1 out there.

I don't think he'll be that high, but yeah, it seems like Battaglia didn't have a contingency plan for the favorites drawing inside and out. I also doubt LaL will be lower than 4-1.

randallscott35 04-28-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 640842)
I don't think he'll be that high, but yeah, it seems like Battaglia didn't have a contingency plan for the favorites drawing inside and out. I also doubt LaL will be lower than 4-1.

At least he's not calling the race. I think Ice Box drew ok if Lezcano can not get pinned into the turn....LAL below 4-1 I think.

lemoncrush 04-28-2010 12:02 PM

With Sidney's past problems stumbling at the gate, the 20 spot actualy ensures he doesn't get sandwiched and left without any hope to recover.
He still has got a lot of work to do, but he has enough tactical speed where I think he can overcome the wide post.
Lookin at Lucky...I have my doubts.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:42 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.