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Kasept 03-17-2008 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
There interpretation requires all patrons attending the track that day get a key with a paid admission.. Then they go to a car in the infield and attempt to start it... If the car starts they win!!!!
Speaking of which... Did anyone see that they had a horseshoe toss yesterday at Santa Anita and one of the 5 patrons who got a single toss at a ringer hit it and won a $1,000,000?

Unbelievable...

I was at a Hartford Whalers game once when somebody hit the slap shot through the tiny cutout for $250,000 (or maybe more...).

freddymo 03-17-2008 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
Speaking of which... Did anyone see that they had a horseshoe toss yesterday at Santa Anita and one of the 5 patrons who got a single toss at a ringer hit it and won a $1,000,000?

Unbelievable...

I was at a Hartford Whalers game once when somebody hit the slap shot through the tiny cutout for $250,000 (or maybe more...).
I think I am getting the Florida Derby Promotional Tee and Hat order if I do I will send you a case of each and you can send them out to your Favorite Dee Tee Posters...DrugS needs a XS

HaloWishingwell 03-17-2008 03:49 PM
So far none of these horses have any stock worth talking about. It's a slow bunch so far.

hockey2315 03-17-2008 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell
So far none of these horses have any stock worth talking about. It's a slow bunch so far.
Well somebody has to win, right?

HaloWishingwell 03-17-2008 03:58 PM
Yes but not with the performances that have been shown so far. Either someone will suddenly blossom within the next 6-7 weeks or we are seeing a bunch of soon to be claimers.

hockey2315 03-17-2008 04:00 PM
You're not making any sense. . .

HaloWishingwell 03-17-2008 04:01 PM
how can I put it? The top horses are okay and the rest suck.

hockey2315 03-17-2008 04:47 PM
Who are the top horses then? Isn't Denis of Cork one of them. . .

miraja2 03-17-2008 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Don't talk to me about it.I couldn't care less what you want or think.Bitch to the people in charge,and they will probably censor it for you.Compared to the 3 I mentioned,the top 2 in the FOY are goats. I would take the Hey B horse over those 2.
My word, I had no idea anybody would be so sensitive about a signature, but I did see that you already changed it to something a BIT less obnoxious so for that, I thank you.

Regarding DoC, I guess I basically agree with you. With his pedigree and past performances, I see no reason that he shouldn't be considered one of the top contenders right now. The bottom line is that it is still pretty wide open at this point. Most of these "top contenders" could still turn out to be either multiple-G1 winners or garbage rather easily.

miraja2 03-17-2008 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I have to say,it is amazing that any horse associated with IGGY PUGLISI can be considered a contender for the Kentucky Derby.He is just the exercise rider,but still,it's weird.What is he 0 FOR 80 since returning from the injury? Even Enriquez caught one last night.
In the past I haven't had a lot of success tossing horses based on who their exercise rider is. I don't know why that would be, because it seems like such a sound handicapping strategy, but for whatever reason, it just hasn't ever really worked for me.

jcs11204 03-17-2008 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
You don't understand the question being asked.. When you out with a statement that "FOY will be a key race" you need to explain or at least understand what that means. What about the race will make it an event that will produce big return performances from the horses behind the principal runners (Cool Coal Man/Elysium Fields)?

You already had Anak Nakal come back from the Fountain and run like crap Saturday. What happens from the also-rans from the FOY is what produces a 'key' race. Court Vision, Z Humor, Golden Spikes, Halo Najib, Kentucky Bear, Adriano etc. need to come back with performances that enhance the reputation of the two finishers that separated themselves from the rest of that field. The question that needs specifics to be answered, is what is it about the Fountain of Youth that might make it a 'key' race.

If you can't answer with specifics, it's OK. You said you like the horses that will be running back from it to do well. You don't have a reason... you just do. You also don't appear anxious to learn the nuances of this type of
discussion either.
you are correct, i am wrong... i should have said i like the top 3 a lot then gave my reassons why i like them, its not a key race. and yes i am anxious to learn and i will try to tone it down a little

jcs11204 03-17-2008 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Who are the top horses then? Isn't Denis of Cork one of them. . .
i dont think he is.... but a lot of ppl here seem to think so

Danzig 03-17-2008 08:24 PM
denis of cork has been getting more attention as horses he has beaten have since gone on to win other stakes races. the two horses who finished second and third in the southwest to Denis have now won the rebel and winstar derby. it would be safe to say that the southwest has turned into a key race, since that field has since produced winners.

also, jcs, the owner and trainer of denis of cork have decided to run him only once more pre-derby, as they have done their homework and feel he is set to peak in two races time-which is now the ky derby on his schedule, rather than the arkansas derby.

jcs11204 03-17-2008 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
denis of cork has been getting more attention as horses he has beaten have since gone on to win other stakes races. the two horses who finished second and third in the southwest to Denis have now won the rebel and winstar derby. it would be safe to say that the southwest has turned into a key race, since that field has since produced winners.

also, jcs, the owner and trainer of denis of cork have decided to run him only once more pre-derby, as they have done their homework and feel he is set to peak in two races time-which is now the ky derby on his schedule, rather than the arkansas derby.
i realize that....
i just dont like dennis of cork, i know i wont be using him... also feel he has little shot to win the the wood. maybe place but not win

hockey2315 03-17-2008 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i realize that....
i just dont like dennis of cork, i know i wont be using him... also feel he has little shot to win the the wood. maybe place but not win
can you explain why you don't like him please?

jcs11204 03-17-2008 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315
can you explain why you don't like him please?
i really dont know, i actually bet him to win and place last time out and cashed on him... just as far as the derby i dont like him

dont like his running style, dont think he can get the distance, dont like his trainer....

hockey2315 03-17-2008 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i really dont know, i actually bet him to win and place last time out and cashed on him... just as far as the derby i dont like him

dont like his running style, dont think he can get the distance, dont like his trainer....
great reasoning. . . what's wrong with his running style? why can't he get the distance? what about his trainer don't you like?

Danzig 03-17-2008 09:03 PM
i don't like kent desormeuax much...didn't keep me from betting on (and winning with) loose leaf at 11-1 last june.


also, denis' trainer expects him to regress in the wood, and then run his best in the derby-which is why they're going that route.
it may be a mistake to discount him, since, unlike many others, horses he has defeated have gone on to win their next out.

i'm not sure yet who my derby pick will be, but i will consider all who make the field when the time comes.

miraja2 03-17-2008 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i really dont know, i actually bet him to win and place last time out and cashed on him... just as far as the derby i dont like him

dont like his running style, dont think he can get the distance, dont like his trainer....
It is of course impossible to know which horses will like 10f before they attempt it, but in my opinion, this horse looks like one who is more likely than most to handle that distance. His sire (Harlan's Holiday) was a pretty decent two-turn horse who is apparently turning out to be a better sire than many thought he would be. Harlans Holiday's dam-side pedigree is loaded with stamina (Affirmed, Honest Pleasure, and of course, Princequillo) so there is every reason to think that he could be a decent stamina influence as a sire.
Denis of Cork's dam's sire is KD and BCC winning Unbridled (AWD: 7.8) so there isn't really a reason to dismiss him because of that side either.

As for his running style, I haven't seen anything there which would disqualify him from being a 10f horse either.

He might turn out to simply not be very good, but I don't think it is probable that distance limitations will be his biggest problem.

jcs11204 03-18-2008 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
It is of course impossible to know which horses will like 10f before they attempt it, but in my opinion, this horse looks like one who is more likely than most to handle that distance. His sire (Harlan's Holiday) was a pretty decent two-turn horse who is apparently turning out to be a better sire than many thought he would be. Harlans Holiday's dam-side pedigree is loaded with stamina (Affirmed, Honest Pleasure, and of course, Princequillo) so there is every reason to think that he could be a decent stamina influence as a sire.
Denis of Cork's dam's sire is KD and BCC winning Unbridled (AWD: 7.8) so there isn't really a reason to dismiss him because of that side either.

As for his running style, I haven't seen anything there which would disqualify him from being a 10f horse either.

He might turn out to simply not be very good, but I don't think it is probable that distance limitations will be his biggest problem.
i prefer a more speedy, tactical type


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