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hemaih 06-11-2007 03:15 PM

Ouija Board is one of the greats

Danzig 06-11-2007 03:24 PM

already? i haven't read thru the thread yet, but i think 'history' rankings are a bit premature. all the other fillies i would think are already done racing, while rags is not. well, hope not!

SentToStud 06-11-2007 04:31 PM

I look at it this way...

If you judged all fillies as of mid-June of their 3 yo years and came up with a list of the best, I'd say that as short as you choose to make that list,... she's on it.

Cannon Shell 06-11-2007 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Siena 16
Ruffian by far was the fastest filly ever to race. And she ran when medication was not as much as a contributor to performance as it is in racing today

That's not exactly true but you can believe it if you want

Cannon Shell 06-11-2007 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
She doesn't belong "in history" until her career is history.

Good point

SentToStud 06-11-2007 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Good point

I say not a good point. I think a 3x G1 winning filly who wins the Belmont while getting the toughest trip in the field is enough to be judged favorably through history.

Can you name one filly who accomplished more than she has through this point in their respective 3 yo years?

Danzig 06-11-2007 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
I say not a good point. I think a 3x G1 winning filly who wins the Belmont while getting the toughest trip in the field is enough to be judged favorably through history.

Can you name one filly who accomplished more than she has through this point in their respective 3 yo years?

genuine risk
personal ensign


oh, wait, that's two. plenty more tho.

Cannon Shell 06-11-2007 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
I say not a good point. I think a 3x G1 winning filly who wins the Belmont while getting the toughest trip in the field is enough to be judged favorably through history.

Can you name one filly who accomplished more than she has through this point in their respective 3 yo years?

Winning Colors?

Cannon Shell 06-11-2007 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
genuine risk
personal ensign


oh, wait, that's two. plenty more tho.

Maybe not Personal Ensign

SentToStud 06-11-2007 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
genuine risk
personal ensign


oh, wait, that's two. plenty more tho.

Accomplished as much? yes. More? no.

That's my point.

Danzig 06-11-2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Maybe not Personal Ensign

i just think she was better at two, and came back from a tough injury.


and yeah, risk accomplished more. won the derby, second in the preakness and belmont.

Danzig 06-11-2007 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Winning Colors?

definitely!

Cannon Shell 06-11-2007 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
I say not a good point. I think a 3x G1 winning filly who wins the Belmont while getting the toughest trip in the field is enough to be judged favorably through history.

Can you name one filly who accomplished more than she has through this point in their respective 3 yo years?

Obviously she has a nice little resume but she has to do a lot more for her to be mentioned with many of the all-time greats who we can judge based upon their entire careers.

I know its hard to believe but a 3 time Grade 1 winning filly is not that rare.

SentToStud 06-11-2007 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Winning Colors?

Fair enough. I'd say arguably yes. Same with Genuine Risk. But just arguably. Neither beat colts off the trip R2R had.

Cannon Shell 06-11-2007 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Fair enough. I'd say arguably yes. Same with Genuine Risk. But just arguably. Neither beat colts off the trip R2R had.

Winning Colors destroyed colts in ths SA Derby and beat a top group of 3 yo's pretty handily in the Derby. No comparison really.

SentToStud 06-11-2007 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Obviously she has a nice little resume but she has to do a lot more for her to be mentioned with many of the all-time greats who we can judge based upon their entire careers.

I know its hard to believe but a 3 time Grade 1 winning filly is not that rare.

Thanks for the lesson. I just learned yesterday they have been running grade 1 races for a while.

blackthroatedwind 06-11-2007 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
genuine risk
personal ensign


oh, wait, that's two. plenty more tho.


Personal Ensign probably hadn't started yet as a 3YO at this time. And, she didn't accomplish nearly as much until she was 4.

And I say that as a huge fan.

somerfrost 06-11-2007 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Winning Colors destroyed colts in ths SA Derby and beat a top group of 3 yo's pretty handily in the Derby. No comparison really.


Well, Winning Colors barely held on in the Derby but that was her second grade one win vs colts.

Cannon Shell 06-11-2007 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Thanks for the lesson. I just learned yesterday they have been running grade 1 races for a while.

Well anyone who think RTR has accomplished more at this point in her career than Winning Colors may need a little help.

btw-Winning Colors managed to squeeze in the Santa Anita Oaks too


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