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pgardn 03-19-2007 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
It really is almost a 2 second difference if you look at some of the results for each track on Saturday. At Santa Anita 16K claimers go in 1.10. At Oaklawn an allowance race at 6F goes in 1.12 and 3. The tracks are very different time wise.

Then maybe they automatically consider a Grade II more worthy even though in this case it was not.

pgardn 03-19-2007 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I am almost 100% positive class of the race has no effect on the Beyer. It's way too difficult to compare times on different tracks. Personally I don't even look at times, because of how different tracks are. I mean tracks change dramatically from one day to the next, even same day. I think looking at how a horse did it and who they beat is much more valuable than trying to compare times for different races and analyzing why horse A got a certain figure and why horse B got another. Just my opinion.

Well this is what Beyers are supposed to help with in the first place.

But Im going to tell you, even though I personally was more impressed with Cobalt Blue than Curlin (and I am in the minority) I thought the BSF's woud be something like Cobalt Blue 92, Curlin 100.

JJP 03-19-2007 10:49 PM

IMO there's no comparison. Cobalt Blue was lone speed setting a soft pace in a small field over the SA dragstrip. Curlin was wide on both turns and blew the Rebel field away, and still wasn't 100% minding his manners in the stretch. If he had run straight at GP, he'd probably have won by 22 lengths. As for Cobalt Blue, I was much more impressed with Air Commander in that race. He was wide and definitely hurt by the slow pace. I would not be surprised if come December, Curlin was the best 3YO of this crop.

slotdirt 03-20-2007 08:24 AM

I won't be betting Curlin to win the Derby just like I didn't bet Showing Up to win last year's Derby after three career starts. Horses absolutely need more seasoning in a 20 horse field than Curlin will have. This isn't an angle like dosage or the BC juvenile jinx; this is an angle based on the fact that it takes more than three races to truly prepare a horse for a 20 horse field in May of his or her 3YO season.

slotdirt 03-20-2007 08:33 AM

See Steve Haskin's comments in his latest "Derby Trail" column on Bloodhorse:



Times certainly are changing. Here we are wondering if Ravel can become the first horse since 1918 to win the Derby off only four career starts, and we’ve got Curlin, who, if he turns in another big performance in the Arkansas Derby (gr. II), no doubt will attempt it off only three career starts, which has only been accomplished by Regret in 1915. He’ll also try to become the first horse since 1882 to win the Derby without having started as a 2-year-old.

Needless to say, the odds are against Curlin.

pgardn 03-20-2007 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
IMO there's no comparison. Cobalt Blue was lone speed setting a soft pace in a small field over the SA dragstrip. Curlin was wide on both turns and blew the Rebel field away, and still wasn't 100% minding his manners in the stretch. If he had run straight at GP, he'd probably have won by 22 lengths. As for Cobalt Blue, I was much more impressed with Air Commander in that race. He was wide and definitely hurt by the slow pace. I would not be surprised if come December, Curlin was the best 3YO of this crop.

And the BSF say a virtual tie. Thats what I dont get. I thought they would be very diff. in favor of Curlin even though I personally like Cobalt blue more.

hockey2315 03-20-2007 02:45 PM

BSFs have notthing to do with pace scenario, running style, etc. . . They deal with final times, speed of the surface, and par times. . .


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