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tector 05-08-2012 10:33 AM

A rare burst of sanity in this game--so I guess it is possible.

fpsoxfan 05-08-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 859167)
This group of 3-year-olds appears even worse than the weak crops of 2011, 2010, and 2009, with the notable exception of Bodemeister, whose effort on Saturday was so good that the defeat didn’t even sting Baffert. “This is the only time I’ve run second where I’ve been happy because he ran his race,” the trainer said. “He’s a brilliant horse.”

Andrew Beyer in the main article on DRF right now.

I read the article. It's interesting, but his take on the this crop is not surprising. He doesn't take into account the trips some horses had. He didn't pick the winner, his pick got second, so the crop sucks! His rhetoric is really getting old.

RolloTomasi 05-08-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan (Post 859273)
I read the article. It's interesting, but his take on the this crop is not surprising. He doesn't take into account the trips some horses had. He didn't pick the winner, his pick got second, so the crop sucks! His rhetoric is really getting old.

Isn't he probably basing his opinion on the crop's Beyer Figures throughout the winter and spring?

He was probably holding out passing judgment until Bodemeister got a chance to separate himself from the rest of the group.

3kings 05-08-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 859276)
Isn't he probably basing his opinion on the crop's Beyer Figures throughout the winter and spring?

He was probably holding out passing judgment until Bodemeister got a chance to separate himself from the rest of the group.

That's how I took Beyer's comments. With the exception of Bodemeister it seems like a very low total of 100 Beyers even compaired to recent crops.

slotdirt 05-08-2012 11:43 AM

Five horses with 100+ Beyers at a mile plus as 3YO's coming into the Derby: Bodemeister (x3), Creative Cause, I'll Have Another, Daddy Nose Best, and El Padrino. That's better than the 2011 Derby preps at least.

RolloTomasi 05-08-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 859281)
Five horses with 100+ Beyers at a mile plus as 3YO's coming into the Derby: Bodemeister (x3), Creative Cause, I'll Have Another, Daddy Nose Best, and El Padrino. That's better than the 2011 Derby preps at least.

I'll Have Another did not break have a triple digit Beyer.

slotdirt 05-08-2012 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 859284)
I'll Have Another did not break have a triple digit Beyer.

Good point. His 101 was from the Derby.

Indian Charlie 05-08-2012 01:21 PM

There are parallels between this crop and the Big Brown crop, with Bode being Big Brown and the rest of the crop being dreadful.


I'm not sure I'm ready to believe that entirely just yet though.

fpsoxfan 05-08-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 859296)
There are parallels between this crop and the Big Brown crop, with Bode being Big Brown and the rest of the crop being dreadful.


I'm not sure I'm ready to believe that entirely just yet though.

That's pretty much the way I feel. When it's all over, Beyer may be right, but leading up to the Derby I didn't hear anyone say this was a weak crop. The Derby, albeit the biggest 3 year old race of the year is only one race of many more good ones to come.

pmayjr 05-08-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 859296)
There are parallels between this crop and the Big Brown crop, with Bode being Big Brown and the rest of the crop being dreadful.


I'm not sure I'm ready to believe that entirely just yet though.

If I'll Have Another runs a competitive 2nd or 3rd to Bode in the Preakness (yeah... I'm already giving Bode the Preakness), I think this crop has some depth to it. Creative Cause if not so wide and close up could have something to say in the Preakness. I think this crop has some depth to it. But Bode is a freak.

Kasept 05-08-2012 02:43 PM

I’ll Have Another, Bodemeister (second), Dullahan (third), Went the Day Well (fouth), and Creative Cause (fifth) qualified for automatic Preakness starts by earning a check in the Derby. Hansen and Liaison round out the top seven. In the second tier of the Preakness qualifying system, which is based on open-stakes earnings, Isn't He Clever, Optimizer, Hierro, and Teeth of the Dog are currently sitting eighth through 11th. In the third tier, which is based on total earnings, Pretension, Tiger Walk, and Paynter round out the 14 available spots as of Tuesday. Zetterholm, Cozzetti, Guyana Star Dweej and Brimstone Island (in order listed) are on the also-eligible list in which two spots will be available at entry time.

Read more: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz1uIynhKSH

declansharbor 05-08-2012 02:49 PM

Came acrossed this on twitter. Just had to share it. It HAS TO BE a joke, right?

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...-for-preakness :zz::zz:

Indian Charlie 05-08-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 859323)
Came acrossed this on twitter. Just had to share it. It HAS TO BE a joke, right?

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...-for-preakness :zz::zz:

That article called Bodemeister a sprinter.

declansharbor 05-08-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 859325)
That article called Bodemeister a sprinter.

Im still struggling with whether or not the guy is serious or not. I feel bad for the guy if he honestly thinks that the Derby has shown thatTrinniberg can hang with Bodemeister. One can sustain and one wilts.

hockey2315 05-08-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 859326)
Im still struggling with whether or not the guy is serious or not. I feel bad for the guy if he honestly thinks that the Derby has shown thatTrinniberg can hang with Bodemeister. One can sustain and one wilts.

Anyone can write a story for Bleacher Report, so it's not like this is a professional journalist. . . Just an idiot.

declansharbor 05-08-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 859327)
Anyone can write a story for Bleacher Report, so it's not like this is a professional journalist. . . Just an idiot.

Okay good. Never heard of Bleacher Report so I was actually going to look into it when i get home, but now no need. Thanks.

pointman 05-08-2012 03:11 PM

I know that things can change on a whim, but is Trinniberg even under consideration for the Preakness at this point?

hockey2315 05-08-2012 03:15 PM

I don't think he ever has been.

Revidere 05-08-2012 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 859329)
I know that things can change on a whim, but is Trinniberg even under consideration for the Preakness at this point?

I thought I read he was being pointed for the Woody Stephens. (Or is it the Riva Ridge?)


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