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tycharles01 02-01-2007 02:48 PM

Its not betting against Invasor it finding out the 2,3,4th place horses

No one who has any knowledge is gonna put WIN bets on him at 3/5 however a ton of people will have him as top or 2nd in tris and supers

So remember

#1, key with???

Buffymommy 02-01-2007 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by avance2000
so let's say invasor is 2/5 or even 1/5 and some horse like AP Arrow is 15/1. ap arrow is still not a good bet. this horse has never won a graded stakes race. are the odds really only 15/1 that he will win the race. NO!!!!! it would take an act of god for him to win.
i'm all for finding a good horse at a price....but there are times (like this) when the entire field is so overmatched that it doesn't even make sense to look for value. there isn't any.


oh come on he will be like 1/9 or worse. We are talking about the HOY last year who is only four techically.

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by avance2000
i completely disagree. one of these bums is going to pick up a nice paycheck for second place.

This is what you said:

"why in hell would anyone in their right mind bet a dime on any horse in this race not named invasor"

Danzig 02-01-2007 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01
Its not betting against Invasor it finding out the 2,3,4th place horses

No one who has any knowledge is gonna put WIN bets on him at 3/5 however a ton of people will have him as top or 2nd in tris and supers

So remember

#1, key with???

yeah, the trick is hitting the ex and tri--but if invasor wins, they won't pay much either.

avance2000 02-01-2007 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
We are talking about the HOY last year who is only four techically.

exactly! so why do you like hesanoldsalt in this spot?

avance2000 02-01-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
This is what you said:

"why in hell would anyone in their right mind bet a dime on any horse in this race not named invasor"

right. what is your point exactly?

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
yeah, the trick is hitting the ex and tri--but if invasor wins, they won't pay much either.

Obviously I think that Invasor is the clear winner here, but there's a chance he may not like the track, etc and if that is the case, there could be some money to be made.

Buffymommy 02-01-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by avance2000
exactly! so why do you like hesanoldsalt in this spot?


He's a Broad Brush baby who getting better at four. :) Hee hee. Just going for the money.

avance2000 02-01-2007 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Obviously I think that Invasor is the clear winner here, but there's a chance he may not like the track, etc and if that is the case, there could be some money to be made.

i guess this is where we differ. i would never bet one horse to win, if i thought a different horse in that race was "obviously the clear winner."

tycharles01 02-01-2007 02:59 PM

Wont Pay much??? It wont pay 100 or more per buck but you should make a nice profit


Strong Contender will be 2nd choice and no way he even hits the board. Most likely will be looking at 2 15-1 or higher and a 5-1 in Magna Graduate to round out the super

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by avance2000
i guess this is where we differ. i would never bet one horse to win, if i thought a different horse in that race was "obviously the clear winner."

Would you bet a higher priced horse WP? That's what I plan on doing.

avance2000 02-01-2007 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Would you bet a higher priced horse WP? That's what I plan on doing.

if you want to go that way with the race....i would load up on the place part of the bet and keep the win part in the $2 range.

Antitrust32 02-01-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
LMAO

I'll take my chances. :p

Lori,

I can't make it down, unfortunately... I have my son this weekend. Last weekend was his Dad's weekend to have him, so it worked out.

I am sure your son would enjoy the races! He has to learn how to read the racing form someday :)

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 03:16 PM

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I am sure your son would enjoy the races! He has to learn how to read the racing form someday :)

Very true... but the idea of almost 4 hours in the car with a 3 year old doesn't appeal to me. :eek:

Maybe I'll get lucky and you guys will call me to let me know how the horses look? :cool:

dr. fager 02-01-2007 03:17 PM

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Maybe I'll get lucky and you guys will call me to let me know how the horses look? :cool:

that'd be really nice of them....wish someone would've come through for me.:p

lemoncrush 02-01-2007 03:21 PM

I'm fully aware of the Invasor prep for Dubai angle, but we're talking about a horse who is 9/10 lifetime, and should be able to jog home beating this weak field.
Chatain looks nice, but with 4 lifetime starts, I really doubt he'll be able to shake free of Invasor.
And it is a terrible betting race, but who is going to complain about a single in the pick 4, or the Magna 5?

Not me.
:o

Danzig 02-01-2007 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Obviously I think that Invasor is the clear winner here, but there's a chance he may not like the track, etc and if that is the case, there could be some money to be made.

very true. no mortal locks here. he should canter home. but ya neva know.

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dr. fager
that'd be really nice of them....wish someone would've come through for me.:p

Oops. :o We MIGHT have had a few too many on Saturday. LOL I'm sorry. :(

miraja2 02-01-2007 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by avance2000
perhaps i am missing something, but why in hell would anyone in their right mind bet a dime on any horse in this race not named invasor?
these other horses don't stand much of a chance in my opinion.

I have to agree with you about this. In his last three races his WORST Beyer# is a 111. No other horse in the race has ever run a figure that high. He is as solid a single here as you will find.

tycharles01 02-01-2007 06:40 PM

Invasor opens at 6/5

Magna Graduate 4/1

Chatain Strong Contender 6/1

KirisClown 02-01-2007 06:47 PM

If Chatain can handle 9F he might offer a serious challenge, the others are just nowhere near good enough to beat Invasor.

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Anyone happen to see Strong Contenders trip last out. It was horrendous. I expect a much better effort from him. While Pletcher is firing with just about anything he sends out AP Arrow really has no shot at all in here. I guess if you go by his 2005 form Magna Graduate can be in the money, but that race at Aqueduct, while visually impressive was about a good a set up you could ask for. I think invasor wins well, Strong Contender second and Chatain and Hesandoldsalt battling for 3rd and 4th.

I don't care for Strong Contender's post.

AeWingnut 02-01-2007 07:55 PM

Penna mentioned that Chatain was a candidate for a bounce after that strong performance. I don't like Invasor's post. Strong Contender has no one to blame but himself for the horrendous trip last time out.

I won't look at the race until Saturday. Think long think something something

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah, but he's got speed to his inside so he should be able to get over behind them a bit and who is better than Prado at saving ground?

Not many are better than Prado for saving ground...

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-01-2007 08:05 PM

ivasor is gonna roll again..me thinks..

ArlJim78 02-01-2007 08:53 PM

I look at the Donn like its Invasor's victory lap.

Time to soak it in as the reigning HOY with all the attention this time.

pgardn 02-01-2007 09:07 PM

Chatain got a very good trip in the HH. Set up very nicely so I wont get sucked in with this horse. But where do you go? No bet.

Sightseek 02-02-2007 10:05 AM

Regarding the other races on the card, Nobiz Like Shobiz may be tough, but I like Sam P better than Scat Daddy (even if J.V. choose the latter).

hockey2315 02-02-2007 10:35 AM

I doubt Chatain's going to bounce because of the way he's been training. Penna also said that Cornelio says he can run all day- distance won't be a problem. He's the only horse who has a chance to beat Invasor.

qwertybb 02-02-2007 10:55 AM

Be careful picking a logical favorite in this forum at low odds. You will get blasted by all the long boarders. I agree if you can't double your $$$ on a win but loading up an exacta would easily cover that? Handicap for second, then your kids first words won't be "Wheres the ATM" or "Momma be back". Chris Rock too funny

GenuineRisk 02-02-2007 11:02 AM

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depends on who's right behind you.;)

Preferably...

tycharles01 02-02-2007 11:15 AM

What happens if it rains down there?? Any good off track runners on the card

Cajungator26 02-02-2007 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01
What happens if it rains down there?? Any good off track runners on the card

It's looking like it might... we had tornadoes here in the Central FL area all night. It was awful... people dead and homes destroyed. :(

tycharles01 02-02-2007 11:17 AM

Ya i am watching it now, lucky this week tho I was up that way last weekend

qwertybb 02-02-2007 04:56 PM

Funny the mood changes to the weather. Point taken, I guess.

qwertybb 02-02-2007 04:57 PM

The key is IF???

Scav 02-02-2007 09:18 PM

To express my opinion
 
Speaking in TG terms, of all horses, Magna Graduate is the fastest horse, so far. That being said, I think he bounces to the moon. Two horses that you have to watch out here are Hesanoldsalt and Strong Contender. Each horse has some solid reasoning IMO. I am going to be gambling on the fact that Invasor is not 100% cranked. He was kept in training for ONE GOAL, the Dubai World Cup, another Grade 1 gets him NOTHING. At 3/5, he is beatable.

Most of Salt's family improved with age, and his last race was his 'best' race yet as far as figures. If he is keen earlier, he is toast as their is alot of bs speed in this race.

Now SC is a horse that I just can't figure out. That being said, he is just as fast as Invasor and will 5 or 6/1. If he runs to his LAD or that huge Belmont race, he wins here, and maybe quite easily.

I think the way you play this race is in the pick threes, all the hilarious public will be singling Invasor (my guess is about 85% of the tickets will have invasor on the ticket somewhere). Be part of that 15% and the $20 pick three ticket that you played might get you back a grand.

ArlJim78 02-02-2007 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Speaking in TG terms, of all horses, Magna Graduate is the fastest horse, so far. That being said, I think he bounces to the moon. Two horses that you have to watch out here are Hesanoldsalt and Strong Contender. Each horse has some solid reasoning IMO. I am going to be gambling on the fact that Invasor is not 100% cranked. He was kept in training for ONE GOAL, the Dubai World Cup, another Grade 1 gets him NOTHING. At 3/5, he is beatable.

Most of Salt's family improved with age, and his last race was his 'best' race yet as far as figures. If he is keen earlier, he is toast as their is alot of bs speed in this race.

Now SC is a horse that I just can't figure out. That being said, he is just as fast as Invasor and will 5 or 6/1. If he runs to his LAD or that huge Belmont race, he wins here, and maybe quite easily.

I think the way you play this race is in the pick threes, all the hilarious public will be singling Invasor (my guess is about 85% of the tickets will have invasor on the ticket somewhere). Be part of that 15% and the $20 pick three ticket that you played might get you back a grand.

Invasor will not lose to this bunch. You're wasting your money. I'd pick a different favorite to knock off. McLaughlin said because the DWC is not so far away from the BCC, they never let up on him. He as as close to 100% as he's going to be and he doesn't need to be at 100% to cruise tomorrow.
that's my opinion.


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