I want to see him do that same race when he has to accelerate past a good horse rather than grinding on the front end and then skipping away.

He can do it but at 7/2...meh

7-2? Really?

odds as of 10/17:

Bovada

POST ODDS HORSE TRAINER JOCKEY
N/A +105 California Chrome A. Sherman Victor Espinoza
N/A +300 Arrogate B. Baffert Mike Smith
N/A +800 Frosted K. McLaughlin Joel Rosario
N/A +1600 Songbird M. d'Oro TBD
N/A +1800 Connect C. Brown Javier Castellano
N/A +1800 Dortmund B. Baffert TBD
N/A +2000 Melatonin D. Hofmans Joseph Talamo
N/A +2000 Shaman Ghost J. Jerkens Javier Castellano
N/A +2000 Nyquist D. O'Neill Mario Gutierrez
N/A +2500 Beholder R. Mandella TBD

Sportsbook.

California Chrome 1/1
Arrogate 7/2
Melatonin 10/1
Frosted 15/1
Exaggerator 18/1
Connect 22/1
Dortmund 25/1
Gun Runner 25/1
Hoppertunity 25/1
Nyquist 25/1
Songbird 25/1
American Freedom 30/1
Beholder 30/1
Shaman Ghost 30/1
Mubtaahij 35/1
Destin 40/1
Effinex 40/1
Mohaymen 40/1
Suddenbreakingnews 45/1
Bradester 50/1
Brodys Cause 50/1
Creator 50/1
Cupid 50/1
Donworth 50/1
Firing Line 50/1
Gift Box 50/1
Governor Malibu 50/1
Hit It A Bomb 50/1
Imperative 50/1
Keen Ice 50/1
Laoban 50/1
Long Island Sound 50/1
Mor Spirit 50/1

Arrogate is a nice horse don't get me wrong but only one graded win over a pretty mediocre 3 year old crop on a very fast track that day. I don't like the layoff either but who knows on that. 7-2 is not for me. Chrome has looked very solid.

Keen Ice in the picture for Breeders' Cup Classic
By David Grening

Keen Ice will either run in the Breeders' Cup Classic or the Clark Handicap at Churchill Downs.

ELMONT, N.Y. – Keen Ice, who upset Triple Crown winner American Pharoah in the 2015 Travers, is being considered for the $6 million Breeders’ Cup Classic at Santa Anita on Nov. 5, his connections said Friday.

Keen Ice, who ran third in a second-level allowance race going one mile at Belmont on Oct. 7, is scheduled to have a workout at Belmont on Sunday, and afterward trainer Todd Pletcher and owner Jerry Crawford will get together to decide whether to pre-enter for the Classic or stick to their original plan of training up to the Grade 1 Clark Handicap at Churchill Downs on Nov. 25. Pre-entries for all 13 Breeders’ Cup races must be made by Monday.

On Friday, Crawford was en route to New York.

“We can read a Racing Form, and we know how tough the race is going to be,” Crawford said. “It’s an incredible field. On the other hand, there aren’t many times in life where you see an intersection of the quality of a horse, the way the horse is training, the likely pace scenario, and the preferred distance that’s rarely offered – and all those things happen to be true for Keen Ice.

“We’re taking a hard look at it. In a rare moment of self-restraint, I’ve been deferring to Todd on this decision. That’s until and unless we do well in the race, then I’ll say it was my idea all along.”

Keen Ice took advantage of a favorable pace scenario when he upset American Pharoah in the Travers. That day, Frosted battled with American Pharoah on the lead.

With California Chrome and Arrogate in the Classic field, Pletcher believes the pace scenario could be favorable for Keen Ice.

“If you’re Arrogate and you want to beat California Chrome, you can’t let him go,” Pletcher said. “We’ll see.”

Keen Ice finished eighth, 6 3/4 lengths behind winner California Chrome, in the Dubai World Cup in March. When he came back, he was found to have a hind-leg fracture. He returned to the races in a one-mile race, rallying to finish third behind Wake Up in Malibu. Keen Ice galloped out very strongly under Javier Castellano.

Last Monday, Keen Ice worked a half-mile in 48.19 seconds in company with Ready Dancer. He galloped out five furlongs in 1:01.87 and six furlongs in 1:14.46.

“It was a good breeze,” Pletcher said. “He galloped out well, came back well.”

“We’re taking a hard look at it. In a rare moment of self-restraint, I’ve been deferring to Todd on this decision. That’s until and unless we do well in the race, then I’ll say it was my idea all along.”

Seems like an amusing guy!

My sides. :D

Found could be coming to defend Turf title, but is also a Classic (!) candidate..

http://www.skysports.com/racing/news...medium=twitter

Arrogate has a chance if he takes out 7 horses at the gate.
:eek:

How big a favorite will Sobgbird be inThe Distaff ? 8-5 ?

hmmmm, maybe not too far off but her figures are lower than the older horses and I see her being a popular pick against, could see 2/1 on both her and beholder with stellar wind maybe 5/2.

She looks the part. She is breathtaking in person. We haven't seen her best, but will in 2 weeks.

Probably a good guess. I'm glad the big 3 all look like they are gonna make it. I'll likely be on Beholder, depending on odds.

We've already seen Beholders best. I'm surprised no one else who saw Songbird has commented on her physical looks. I know some guys only understand the racing form and wouldn't know a 2 year old filly from a 9 year old gelding, but others who know horseflesh have been silent on this aspect.

Stellar Wind has never won beyond a 1 1/16

She was best in the Distaff last year. Not even really close IMO.

We lost our expert on pretty horses years ago.

If the Big 3 all go, I don't think Songbird will be below 2-1. Gorgeous or not, her best BSF is 6 lengths behind the race Beholder and Stellar Wind ran Oct 1. Yeah, Songbird could have run faster if pressed, but 6 lengths faster? If Songbird goes off at 8-5, I'll be all over B or SW or both.

She is the greatest filly ever according to Anthony Stabile, as such, now way she goes off more then 6/5 likely even or less.

"the greatest filly ever" I call this the Pharoah Effect lol so ridiculous

You know millennials they need to experience at least 10 "Greatest things ever" a week.

100-1 feels fair to me. I give her almost no chance to win.

I'll take a little of that 100-1. Didn't you see her in the Alabama? Or couldn't you see it from your hiding spot ?

it's ignorant comments like this......................that keep me away from here, hats off. Every thread you touch is a lightning rod for controversy, just lob the grenade and run the other way.

-bt-

Beholder, Unbridled Forever and Stellar Wind are all better/faster. What did I say that was ignorant? If Songbird is 3-1 or 7-2 I'll bet huge against her in all pools. I dont think she can win this race.

You know this is as dumb a comment as Anthony Stabile saying she is the greatest filly of all time on Twitter. Is there a morsel of levity in you? She is clearly extraordinary and while I get you like others as do I, she clearly shouldn't be beyond 5/2 in anyone's way of thinking. We all from time to time loathe 2/1 shots and feel they are WAY over rated but in are brains we know they are not 100/1 shots without a reasonable chance. To just suggest so about a multiple grade 1 filly that has shipped throughout country, never been less the 3.5 lengths in front of her G1 competition at the best circuits in the states is 100/1 is just awful to post

Well said Cheers

Thanks for reminding me to use I'm a Chatterbox in multis.

right on the money sir! ...... as usual :$: the "value" in the Distaff :)

I can't believe I'm doing this.... :tro:

:D

Here are some BCC odds from 5Dimes:
"-130" means you put up $130 to win $100. (which is a little worse than 4-5)
"+280" means you get 2.8-1.

In the 1st 3 odds, you'd get your money back if your horse doesn't start, and it's also no bet if either CC or Arrogate doesn't start.

In the rest of the odds, it's a bet no matter who starts.

California Chrome & Arrogate must run for action
Sat 11/5 101 California Chrome wins Classic
-130
8:35PM 102 Field wins Classic
-110

Arrogate & California Chrome must run for action
Sat 11/5 103 Arrogate wins Classic
+280
8:35PM 104 Field wins Classic
-400

Frosted & California Chrome must run for action
Sat 11/5 105 Frosted wins Classic
+800
8:35PM 106 Field wins Classic
-1700

Breeders' Cup Classic - Antepost Winner
all horses have action regardless if selected horse runs
Sat 11/5 201 California Chrome wins Classic
-120

all horses have action regardless if selected horse runs
Sat 11/5 203 Arrogate wins Classic
+300

all horses have action regardless if selected horse runs
Sat 11/5 205 Frosted wins Classic
+1000


Melatonin 25-1
Shaman Ghost 22-1
Nyquist 30-1
Hopportunity 33-1
Gun Runner 26-1
Effinex 35-1

I wrote, "In the 1st 3 odds, you'd get your money back if your horse doesn't start, and it's also no bet if either CC or Arrogate doesn't start." That's not correct for the bet on Frosted at +800. It doesn't matter if Arrogate starts or not.

Nyquist is out.....Privman tweeted he was injured

From DON

https://www.facebook.com/dougoneillr...56323054388093

Upon further review since beholder , when running against the girls is very heavily bet, she will be co fave , with stellar wind drifting up to 4-1 chatter and unbrid will both be about 8-1

Beholder is a beast @SA and last race has some doubting her. So looking forward to that race.

Curalina in Distaff..

Unless there's a last minute change of heart, FOUND running in the Turf..

10 to go postward in Classic..

Arrogate
California Chrome
Effinex
Frosted
Hoppertunity
Keen Ice
Melatonin
Shaman Ghost
War Story
Win the Space

Melatonin is an interesting play in the exacta here

Little bit of a hypocrite, no?? Your bashing her on twitter saying she is no better then 5th. Pretty much exactly what I said.....

I can see an insane situation happening where the race totally falls apart and Hoppertunity wins. Between Chrome, Arrogate and Melatonin the pace could get very hot.