Paid workout.

she could have run backwards and beat this bunch....

that felt like a really weak Penn Derby

If the two also rans in the travers go 1-2 in the Penn Derby, does that mean Arrogate destroyed a meh field in the travers?

I'm having some trouble with the PA derby results.

consider this group

Nyquist - winner of BCJ, Kentucky Derby, Fla derby, San Vincente, Best Pal
Exaggerator - winner of SA derby, Preakness, Haskell, 2nd in kentucky
Cupid - winner of The Rebel, VW derby, Indiana derby


THERE IS SOMETHING FUNNY ABOUT THEM NOT BEING IN THE MONEY AT ALL

61-1 shot Wild About Deb returned $21.20 to show, In earning her first grade I-placing,


WHAT HAPPEN HERE ?

Trainer Steve Asmussen was pleased with the way Winchell Thoroughbreds, Three Chimneys, and Besilu Stables' Gun Runner raced, but confessed he was thinking bigger for the son of Candy Ride , who finished third in the Kentucky Derby, winner of LA derby, Risen star..
"He's such a nice horse. He ran a solid race and beat the horses that beat him in the (Kentucky Derby)," Asmussen said. "He was second, but I kind of planned on winning today."
Nyquist's owner Paul Reddam had no immediate explanation for the off-the-board finish by his Derby winner and wasn't sure a Breeders' Cup start would be realistic.
"The winner ran well and we didn't have any apparent excuse," Reddam said. "We'll have to check the horse over and make sure that he's (well) and we'll work from there. That was definitely the worst performance of his life, so that's not how you want to go into the Breeders' Cup. Maybe it'll somehow look different tomorrow, but I'm not sure how


these results are very odd

how does a 61-1 shot get past all the grade 1 winners

i was alive in the pick4 going into the PA derby to 4 colts..exxagerator, Nyquist, Cupid, and Gun Runner....felt pretty good before the race...wouldn't you ?
I had to drop Connect for price resaons...ARRGGGRRGG

my big winner on the card..

my 60 cent super in the catillion ...paid 85 cents...pffttt..

85 cents...outta be a rule, minimum pay out 1 dollar.

Not sure why you are surprised. When the track is dry almost all these 3 years olds are about the same with maybe the exception of Arrogate.

i expected more from what i thought were the division leaders.

You miss American Pharoah. It's a grieving process. Now all we have is Arrogate and false hope.

Cupid was exposed (again) once he took on the top of the class.

Nyquist and Exaggerator, from the outside, simply look like tired horses. Nyquist showed some signs of life at least. Both should be rested and point for the Malibu after Christmas as an attempt to salvage the 3yo Eclipse and/or as a springboard to a 4yo campaign. Otherwise, they are approaching Monarchos, Orb, Go For Gin, Super Saver, Mine That Bird, Giacomo, Fusaichi Pegasus status.

Didnt Darley buy Nyquist? What 4 year old season? Breeding?

maybe even the Clark..Nyquist seemed to like CD

May be time for a Euro to step up for BC ?? if not Arrogate.

Chrome has the bcc in the bag

u dont think much of arrogate...one race wonder maybe?

Arrogate had a real good run last out, but his diary is empty, too little too late, even if he wins the BCC (doubtful) one of the BCD would bw HOY
songbird has 11 wins in a row...and a cool name !:D

arrow gate points to nixon...get it.?

I hear Declan moon is a shoe in for champion 3 year old male.

Those Unbridled Song's sure are known for their sturdiness. ;)

Paul Reddam controls the racing career according to the report on the stud deal late last year and he seems like one that likes to keep them racing. His post race comments for the Penn Derby hinted that he wouldn't be opposed to skipping the BC considering the colt's performance, presumably to regroup for later races (i.e. a 4yo campaign).

At the very least, I would guess that he has his eye on that Pegasus Cup monstrosity early next year.

I wonder when Reddam's control expires I would assume at end of 3 year old campaign but I wouldnt know

From the Bloodhorse back in Nov. '15:

Reddam and his team, which includes trainer Doug O'Neill, will control the racing career of Nyquist.

"It might be a conversation we have at this time next year to see where we are at the end of his 3-year-old season," Darley chief operating officer Dan Pride said. "If it's the right time to retire him, fine, and if it looks like he should stay in training, then he'll stay in training."

I think Darley will be talked into the Pegasus Cup especially if he skips the BC. Of course, they might also simply set their sights lower and aim for the Dirt Mile.

If Arrogate starts in the BCC and doesn't have a start in-between that race and the Travers, he will make for an unprecedented profile in that race.

In the last 25 BCCs, here are the lightly raced 3yos who contested the race. Unlike Arrogate (if he trains up to the BC), all of these started in late September or October as a final "prep".

1995: French Deputy wins debut at 2, wins 2x in February, then on shelf until September when he wins the Jerome. Gets beat in an allowance prep and runs 9th in the BCC.

1996: Formal Gold debuts in June and makes 6 starts prior to the BC, with runner up finishes in the Penn Derby and Meadowlands Cup. Mild rally for 5th a few lengths behind the blanket finish of Alphabet Soup, Cigar, etc. Will's Way debuts in February, wins the Travers, but tanks in both the Super Derby and BCC (7th).

1997: Behrens debuts in January, runs a close second in the Travers, wins the 4-horse $1 million Pegasus, then buried by Skip Away in the BCC.

1998: Arch ran once at 2, lightly raced until summer, won the Super Derby and Fayette, but finishes last in the BCC (Gentlemen eased).

2000: Tiznow debuts in April, runs 8 times leading up to BCC. Won Super Derby at 10f, like Arrogate, in track record time (1:59+). Also took Goodwood. Won BCC by a nose over Giant's Causeway.

2001: Orientate ran twice at 2, laid up until following summer, won Indiana Derby, then ran last in Tiznow's second BCC.

2009: Girolamo ran in stakes at 2, but on shelf until August at 3, won Jerome and then last on synthetic BCC to Zenyatta.

2011: Rattlesnake Bridge debuts in February, runs 2nd in the Travers, then only 9th in BCC to Drosselmeyer.

2012: Nonios debuts in February, places in Haskell, 5th in Travers and 6th in BCC to Fort Larned.

2014: V.E. Day debuts in January, wins Travers. 11th in BCC.

I could be wrong here,but it seems to me that this year the BC will have more horses than usual coming into their races off of semi-layoffs.
I never really like the August/early Sept. to the Cup move,so I'll be curious how the layoff horses fare.
I know this,if the August to the Cup horses do well........I won't.

so does that mean no DWC 2017 for Nyquist ?

maybe he'll be back in his juvy form by then