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tjfla 10-26-2012 01:48 PM

KMc says Emcee to the DMile

Is Kettle Corn running in the DMile? Dont see him on any other lists than here

Dahoss 10-26-2012 01:55 PM

Kiaran knows his horse better than I do, but I don't get Emcee running in the dirt Mile at all. If it was a one turn mile it would make a little more sense...but it isn't.

tjfla 10-26-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 898526)
Kiaran knows his horse better than I do, but I don't get Emcee running in the dirt Mile at all. If it was a one turn mile it would make a little more sense...but it isn't.

Seems has to do more with field size than anything. He said that he thinks he can get out quick and make a run however in the Sprint there are 14 horses and he doesnt want a outside spot

In other words if he could enter him in both then scratch after Post were drawn he would. However he can't so not taking chances

Dahoss 10-26-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 898528)
Seems has to do more with field size than anything. He said that he thinks he can get out quick and make a run however in the Sprint there are 14 horses and he doesnt want a outside spot

In other words if he could enter him in both then scratch after Post were drawn he would. However he can't so not taking chances

He would rather draw inside in the sprint? Why?

tjfla 10-26-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 898530)
He would rather draw inside in the sprint? Why?

Got me just said reasons goint to DMile-smaller field/better draw,easier spot

miraja2 10-26-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 898478)
Running in the Ack Ack..

Thanks. He obviously likes CD so I guess maybe Ack Ack/Clark makes some sense.

Dahoss 10-26-2012 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 898528)
Seems has to do more with field size than anything. He said that he thinks he can get out quick and make a run however in the Sprint there are 14 horses and he doesnt want a outside spot

In other words if he could enter him in both then scratch after Post were drawn he would. However he can't so not taking chances

I just saw the quotes. He actually said drawing outside in the sprint would be good, but things have to go perfect to win.

Still makes no sense to me and honestly it's kind of a negative in my mind that he's THAT concerned with post positions. Your horse is either going to run well or he isn't. Being overly concerned about something like post positions, when you have a horse of his caliber seems odd.

I think he's the best sprinter in the country and he can win the Mile, but it won't be with my money. That might actually be a good thing for him though.

letswastemoney 10-27-2012 12:32 AM

The Dirt Mile is almost always biased towards late runners. Emcee will find the pace scenario difficult.

I don't know if the trend towards closers winning will continue on Santa Anita dirt.

Dahoss 10-27-2012 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 898597)
The Dirt Mile is almost always biased towards late runners. Emcee will find the pace scenario difficult.

I don't know if the trend towards closers winning will continue on Santa Anita dirt.

Isn't it more of a case of race dynamics than any kind of bias?

letswastemoney 10-27-2012 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 898659)
Isn't it more of a case of race dynamics than any kind of bias?

Yeah that is probably more true. It's hard to trust the speed horses if early speed types like Shackleford and Tapizar will pressure them every step of the way.

GPK 10-28-2012 09:07 PM

Dullahan being reported as going to BC Turf.

Indian Charlie 10-29-2012 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK (Post 899069)
Dullahan being reported as going to BC Turf.

Were they holding out hope that they were going to move the Classic to Del Mar?

Kasept 10-29-2012 03:54 PM

Saturday fields (except Classic) drawn.. See Post #1.

RockHardTen1985 10-29-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 899148)
Saturday fields (except Classic) drawn.. See Post #1.

Steve what happened to Contested??

Kasept 10-29-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 899149)
Steve what happened to Contested??

Great question and waiting for a Baffert answer..

Kasept 10-29-2012 04:38 PM

Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (G1)

1. Summit County (Romans/Nakatani) 30-1
2. Artigiano (Al Zarooni/Dettori) 8-1
3. George Vancouver (O'Brien/Moore) 8-1
4. Gervinho (Gaines/Bejarano) 15-1
5. Fantastic Moon-GB (Noseda/Fallon) 12-1
6. Dundonnell (Charlton/Doyle) 4-1
7. Brown Almighty (Ice/Desormeaux) 20-1
8. Balance the Books (Brown/Leparoux) 8-1
9. Noble Tune (Brown/R. Dominguez) 6-1
10. Joha (Maker/Castallano) 6-1
11. Dry Summer (Mullins/Talamo) 10-1
12. I'm Boundtoscore (Rankin/Rook) 20-1
13. Know More (O'Neill/Gomez) 8-1
14. Lines of Battle (O'Brien/R. Hughes) 12-1
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15. (AE) Rising Legend (Hannon/Rosario) 20-1



Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Sprint (G1)

1. Teddy's Promise (Ellis/Talamo) 20-1
2. Belle of the Hall (Dollase/Ortiz Jr.) 20-1
3. Dust and Diamonds (Asmussen/Leparoux) 9-2
4. Strike the Moon (Trombetta/Lezcano) 30-1
5. Rumor (Mandella/Smith) 20-1
6. Turbulent Descent (Pletcher/JV) 5-1
7. Great Hot-BRZ (Avila/Maldonado) 30-1
8. Musical Romance (Kaplan/Levva) 2011 Winner 4-1
9. Groupie Doll (Bradley/Margh) 1-1
10. Switch (Sadler/Gomez) 12-1



Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile (G1)

1. Rail Trip (Ellis/Valdivia) 10-1
2. Delegation (Casse/Husbands) 12-1
3. Jersey Town (Tagg/Castallano) 4-1
4. John Scott (Gaines/Espiniza) 12-1
5. Fed Biz (Baffert/Talamo) 6-1
6. Shackleford (Romans/R. Dominguez) 2-1
7. Emcee (KMc/Garcia) 5-2
8. Tapizar (Asmussen/Nakatani) 12-1
9. Second City (Cecil/Gutierrez) 30-1



Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint (G1)

1. California Flag (Koriner/Talamo) 6-1
2. Camp Victory (Mitchell/Leparoux) 10-1
3. Great Mills (Asmussen/Bejarano) 20-1
4. Tale of a Champion (Mulhall/T. Baze) 30-1
5. Next Question (Trombetta/Ramon) 10-1
6. Upgrade (Nihei/Maragh) 30-1
7. Reneesgotzip (Miller/Gomez) 8-1
8. Great Attack (Ward/Rosario) 10-1
9. Bridgetown (Pletcher/JV) 9-2
10. Corporate Jungle (Brown/Castallano) 6-1
11. Mizdirection (Puype/M. Smith) 20-1
12. Chosen Miracle (Hollendorfer/M. Garcia) 15-1
13. Unbridled's Note (Asmussen/Nakatani) 5-1
14. Starspangledbanner (O'Brien/J. O'Brien) 10-1
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15. Global Power (Amoss/PVal) 30-1
16. Starspangled Heat (Abrams/No Boy) 30-1



Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1)

1. Title Contender (Baffert/M. Garcia) 6-1
2. Speak Logistics (Plesa/Serpa) 8-1
3. He's Had Enough (O'Neill/M. Gutierrez) 20-1
4. Shanghai Bobby (Pletcher/Napravnik) 2-1
5. Monument (Sadler/Talamo) 12-1
6. Dynamic Sky (Casse/L. Contreras) 12-1
7. Capo Bastone (Sadler/Rosario) 15-1
8. Fortify (KMc/R. Dominguez) 9-2
9. Power Broker (Baffert/Bejarano) 5-2



Breeders' Cup Turf (G1)

1. Point of Entry (McGaughey/JV) 3-1
2. Turbo Compressor (Pletcher/Bravo) 15-1
3. St Nicholas Abbey (O'Brien/J. O'Brien) 2011 Winner 7-2
4. Treasure Beach (O'Brien/Spencer) 12-1
5. Shareta (Royer-Dupre/Lemaire) 7-2
6. Cogito (O'Neill/Dettori) 30-1
7. Little Mike (Romans/R. Dominguez) 12-1
8. Kindergarten Kid (Miller/Leparoux) 30-1
9. Dullahan (Romans/Rosario) 12-1
10. Optimizer (Lukas/J. Court) 20-1
11. Slim Shadey-GB (Callahan/Gomez) 10-1
12. Trailblazer (Ikee/Take) 6-1



XpressBet Breeders' Cup Sprint (G1)

1. Sum of the Parts (Amoss/Leparoux) 20-1
2. Jimmy Creed (Mandella/Gomez) 10-1
3. Gantry (Faucheux/Castallano) 6-1
4. Coil (Baffert/M. Garcia) 5-1
5. Justin Phillip (Asmussen/Bejarano) 20-1
6. Fast Bullet (Baffert/Talamo) 12-1
7. The Lumber Guy (Hushion/JV) 6-1
8. Capital Account (Baffert/Flores) 8-1
9. Trinniberg (Parboo/W. Martinez) 15-1
10. Smiling Tiger (Bonde/R. Dominguez) 12-1
11. Amazombie (Spawr/Smith) 2011 Winner 4-1
12. Hamazing Destiny (Lukas/Rosario) 12-1
13. Poseidon's Warrior (Reid/Ortiz Jr. ) 15-1
14. Boxeur des Rues (O'Neill/M. Gutierrez) 30-1



Breeders' Cup Mile (G1)

1. Mr. Commons (Shirreffs/Blanc) 12-1
2. Wise Dan (Lopresti/JV) 9-5
3. Obviously-IRE (Mitchell/Talamo) 6-1
4. Jeranimo (Pender/Gomez) 15-1
5. Animal Kingdom (Motion/Bejarano) 8-1
6. Excelebration (O'Brien/J. O'Brien) 2-1
7. Willcox Inn (Block/J. Graham) 30-1
8. Suggestive Boy-ARG (McAnally/M. Smith) 15-1
9. Moonlight Cloud-GB (Head/Jarnet) 6-1



Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

1. Pool Play (Casse/Mena) 30-1
2. Flat Out (Mott/Rosario) 5-1
3. Alpha (KMc/R. Dominguez) 20-1
4. Fort Larned (Wilkes/B. Hernandez Jr.) 5-1
5. Game On Dude (Baffert/Bejarano) 9-5
6. Brilliant Speed (Albertrani/Alvarado) 20-1
7. Handsome Mike (O'Neill/M. Gutierrez) 30-1
8. Nonios (Hollendorfer/M. Pedroza) 20-1
9. Richard's Kid (O'Neill/Gomez) 12-1
10. Ron the Greek (Mott/Lezcano) 6-1
11. Mucho Macho Man (Ritvo/M. Smith) 8-1
12. To Honor and Serve (Mott/JV) 8-1

Kasept 10-29-2012 06:17 PM

Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

1. Pool Play (Casse/Mena) 30-1
2. Flat Out (Mott/Rosario) 5-1
3. Alpha (KMc/R. Dominguez) 20-1
4. Fort Larned (Wilkes/B. Hernandez Jr.) 5-1
5. Game On Dude (Baffert/Bejarano) 9-5
6. Brilliant Speed (Albertrani/Alvarado) 20-1
7. Handsome Mike (O'Neill/M. Gutierrez) 30-1
8. Nonios (Hollendorfer/M. Pedroza) 20-1
9. Richard's Kid (O'Neill/Gomez) 12-1
10. Ron the Greek (Mott/Lezcano) 6-1
11. Mucho Macho Man (Ritvo/M. Smith) 8-1
12. To Honor and Serve (Mott/JV) 8-1

Round Pen 10-29-2012 06:54 PM

Love our Chances Steve I think all of our horses drew well Plus we are getting some very inviting odds on a few of them. :D

letswastemoney 10-29-2012 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Round Pen (Post 899188)
Love our Chances Steve I think all of our horses drew well Plus we are getting some very inviting odds on a few of them. :D

Pool Play seems enticing at 30/1. His only 2 dirt starts were graded stakes wins. This isn't the toughest older horse division. Maybe he grinds out a surprise win?

tywizard 10-29-2012 07:32 PM

JV Pick 4 looks like a potential....

tywizard 10-29-2012 07:34 PM

I hope the ML for Capital Account holds....

I was also hoping that Corporate Jungle would be 10-1 or more on the ML...

helicopter11 10-29-2012 09:00 PM

16 horses in the turf sprint? A lot of horses tend to weave in and out once they hit that dirt.

Dahoss 10-29-2012 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tywizard (Post 899193)
JV Pick 4 looks like a potential....

While he drew well, how can To Honor and Serve possibly win?

Dahoss 10-29-2012 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 899208)
16 horses in the turf sprint? A lot of horses tend to weave in and out once they hit that dirt.

2 of them are also eligible. Only 14 will run.

Alan07 10-29-2012 09:34 PM

Saturday full card overnight:
http://www.breederscup.com/sites/def..._Overnight.pdf

RockHardTen1985 10-29-2012 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tywizard (Post 899194)
I hope the ML for Capital Account holds....

I was also hoping that Corporate Jungle would be 10-1 or more on the ML...

Lots of Corporate Jungle buzz. That horse is going to get crushed at the windows. Almost feels to obvious on the cutback and big drop.

RockHardTen1985 10-29-2012 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 899209)
While he drew well, how can To Honor and Serve possibly win?

The Lumber Guy is less likely then him, right?
At least THAS drew well enough to get what he needs.

alysheba4 10-31-2012 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 899209)
While he drew well, how can To Honor and Serve possibly win?

.......dont think he wants to go beyond 9f. too bad because i am a fan of this horse.

dpkovalesky 10-31-2012 06:14 PM

I havent heard anything in regards to that horse Cogito in the Turf, was his race in the Jamaica just that bad? or in too deep?

hockey2315 10-31-2012 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpkovalesky (Post 899530)
I havent heard anything in regards to that horse Cogito in the Turf, was his race in the Jamaica just that bad? or in too deep?

I'm torn, because I thought he was a cinch in the Jamaica off his French race and he was just atrocious.

dalakhani 10-31-2012 08:52 PM

Does trinninberg have a shot?

fantini33 11-01-2012 10:10 AM

Does trinninberg have a shot?

Yes.

tywizard 11-01-2012 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 899605)
Does trinninberg have a shot?

I think so.

I will use him along with Capital Account and Amazombie.

Rudeboyelvis 11-01-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 899149)
Steve what happened to Contested??

She was reported to have developed a cough.

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/rac...ders-cup-turf/

FATPIANO 11-01-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantini33 (Post 899684)
Does trinninberg have a shot?

Yes.

trinni will be 1st or 2nd

cakes44 11-02-2012 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 899730)
trinni will be 1st or 2nd

He'll get inhaled at the 1/16th pole. This race is all Jimmy Creed.

Sightseek 11-03-2012 03:01 PM

Shackleford is a little excited to be there. :D

Sightseek 11-03-2012 06:06 PM

A really nice after-race interview by Willie. :tro:

Sightseek 11-03-2012 06:20 PM

Animal Kingdom is the same odds as Moonlight Cloud???

Sightseek 11-03-2012 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 900335)
Animal Kingdom is the same odds as Moonlight Cloud???

:o

Nice second by him.


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