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my miss storm cat 12-25-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 827241)
It was sad that it stayed up for 48 hours that way. But it was also fitting since Hovdey had his name plastered on the headline.

Of course, no one bothered to correct the gross error in the actual article.

Papa Clem did not win the Strub. He didn't even run in it.

:D

I'm a bad person... I didn't even bother reading it.

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 826923)
I'm a fan of The Factor but this is who I'm using on top. :$:

Scratch that, The Factor wins (hey I'm allowed to change my mind).

asudevil 12-25-2011 01:26 PM

Smash wins, and sets the tone for what will be a big year, for Kaleem Shah.

RolloTomasi 12-25-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 827277)
Smash wins, and sets the tone for what will be a big year, for Kaleem Shah.

Who else does that owner have in training right now (other than Uncle Sam)? He's had some nice maiden winners the last couple of years, but none of them have been able to train on for one reason or another.

goingtothewhip 12-25-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 827286)
Who else does that owner have in training right now (other than Uncle Sam)? He's had some nice maiden winners the last couple of years, but none of them have been able to train on for one reason or another.

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May Day Rose
Tweebster

RolloTomasi 12-25-2011 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by goingtothewhip (Post 827288)
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May Day Rose
Tweebster

Thanks. I hope there's more out there, though.

Else, he might have a good Fairplex meet at best.

NTamm1215 12-25-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 827290)
Thanks. I hope there's more out there, though.

Else, he might have a good Fairplex meet at best.

He has to be referring to some soon to be 3YOs, right? May Day Rose and Tweebster both stink.

free25 12-25-2011 03:49 PM

Thanks Arletta!!!

RolloTomasi 12-25-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 827291)
He has to be referring to some soon to be 3YOs, right? May Day Rose and Tweebster both stink.

That's what I was thinking, too, but I don't recall very many 2yos starting so far for that owner. Eden's Moon is the only one off the top of my head, actually.

cakes44 12-25-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 826833)
The third race is a very interesting 2yo MSW.

Lasso (Baffert) looks strong, and the Hoffmans debuter looks live too. Gotta think with the breeding on the Hoffmans though, turf.

The other Baffert, with that pedigree, will take money.

First time looking...you are right...lots of serious workouts from this group. Probably going to take a shot with the 1 and 9, hoping they get overlooked.

asudevil 12-25-2011 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 827286)
Who else does that owner have in training right now (other than Uncle Sam)? He's had some nice maiden winners the last couple of years, but none of them have been able to train on for one reason or another.

He has many 2 year olds who are getting ready to make their debut. This guy has had the worst run of luck....especially for someone who has invested 30 plus million over the last few years.

Dahoss 12-25-2011 07:26 PM

Bob Baffert should have his own room around here.

RockHardTen1985 12-25-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 827334)
Bob Baffert should have his own room around here.

Guy is a legend. Best trainer in the history of horse racing. True GOAT status. Plus the hair, plus his wife. Bobs a ROCKHARDTEN in my book.

RolloTomasi 12-25-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 827322)
This guy has had the worst run of luck....especially for someone who has invested 30 plus million over the last few years.

Has he really spent that much money already? Please tell me he has a farm with a few choice broodmares somewhere in Kentucky.

His silks are eerily reminiscent of James MacIngvale.

RockHardTen1985 12-25-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 827334)
Bob Baffert should have his own room around here.

Whats your issue with Bob anyway?

Dahoss 12-26-2011 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 827342)
Whats your issue with Bob anyway?

I think I can sum it up pretty well with this.

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 827340)
Guy is a legend. Best trainer in the history of horse racing. True GOAT status. Plus the hair, plus his wife. Bobs a ROCKHARDTEN in my book.

How can you not dislike him after that? Plus he was kind of a douche to me at Saratoga a few years ago. On top of that, I thought his behavior after the Big Cap this year was pretty embarrassing.

outofthebox 12-26-2011 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 827309)
That's what I was thinking, too, but I don't recall very many 2yos starting so far for that owner. Eden's Moon is the only one off the top of my head, actually.

Whatever happened to Take Control? The AP Indy- Azeri colt. Didn't he finally make the entries a while back, then proceed to scratch? He had tough luck with Irrefutable after running 2nd in the Underwood at HP>

jms62 12-26-2011 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 826837)
Associate, nice 45 pt move up off the claim... Horse probably has every possible steroid known to the planet Earth in its system.

Can anyone honestly look at those PP's and not think CHEATER? I guess those front wraps really do work!

It's very easy to come to this conclusion based upon the trainer however. He went from Turf Routes to 8 on the Inner and then turf Sprints. Aside from the trainer could there be a remote chance that he found his niche at 7 on the Dirt?

Ocala Mike 12-26-2011 10:40 AM

Looking at #10, WINE POLICE. In a little tough, but nicely positioned and always runs well fresh.


Ocala Mike

cakes44 12-26-2011 03:40 PM

Looking to beat Mr. Commons with Venomous. I've just never been that impressed with Mr. Commons and I think Venomous will get all the pace he needs.

helicopter11 12-26-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 827346)
I think I can sum it up pretty well with this.



How can you not dislike him after that? Plus he was kind of a douche to me at Saratoga a few years ago. On top of that, I thought his behavior after the Big Cap this year was pretty embarrassing.

What did Baffert do in the Big Cap that was embarrasing?

Merlinsky 12-26-2011 06:19 PM

Artie Schiller went 1-2 in the Sir Beaufort. Nice.

Dahoss 12-26-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 827425)
What did Baffert do in the Big Cap that was embarrasing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRw8Lj2MGp4

The highlight for me is at about 5:25 in the video. Richard Mandella seems less than enthused to be told by Baffert that "You want to win it fair."

His response to Brad Free's questions were pretty funny also. When he's done with the horses, politics might be an easy transition based on those responses.

Danzig 12-26-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 827340)
Guy is a legend. Best trainer in the history of horse racing. True GOAT status. Plus the hair, plus his wife. Bobs a ROCKHARDTEN in my book.


:rolleyes:

yeah, baffert showed true class with how that all went down. i bet his first wife thinks he's the goat.

helicopter11 12-26-2011 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 827437)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRw8Lj2MGp4

The highlight for me is at about 5:25 in the video. Richard Mandella seems less than enthused to be told by Baffert that "You want to win it fair."

His response to Brad Free's questions were pretty funny also. When he's done with the horses, politics might be an easy transition based on those responses.

Good stuff. Mandella acted with class unlike Baffert in that video. Its funny how Mandella says those calls Baffert made to the stewards should be recorded.

Dahoss 12-26-2011 07:11 PM

Could anyone tell what happened to Centralinteligence in the Malibu? From the head on it looked like he was spooked by something he saw.

NTamm1215 12-26-2011 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 827443)
Could anyone tell what happened to Centralinteligence in the Malibu? From the head on it looked like he was spooked by something he saw.

Seemed like he didn't like being in a little tight on the inside and Rosario said afterwards that he has a really sensitive mouth. Garcia did a good job race riding Rothko.

I love that Trevor said Mr. Commons "could not have been more impressive." Yeah, a huge pace setup, a perfect trip and never being more than 10 feet off the rail was incredible.

3kings 12-26-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 827443)
Could anyone tell what happened to Centralinteligence in the Malibu? From the head on it looked like he was spooked by something he saw.

I only saw it once but I thought the 6 came in on him and he was taken up losing any chance. Rothko was right behind them and kind of got lucky getting by and it only cost him a step or two.

RolloTomasi 12-26-2011 08:08 PM

I wonder if today's win by The Factor helps or hurts Caleb's Posse's chances for the 3yo Eclipse.

The Factor was part of the caboose in the latter's BC Dirt Mile. However, he also blasted Caleb's Posse in the two-turn Grade 2 Rebel by over 6 lengths.

In addition, The Factor has a seasonal profile very similar to Caleb's Posse in that he won a pair of one-turn Grade 1s (one vs. elders) while adding a couple of Grade 2 wins for a total of 4. As they are both sort of "unique" candidates, they might cancel each other out.

Of course, there's a chance that the vast majority of voters have already made up their mind before this race.

freddymo 12-27-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 827451)
I wonder if today's win by The Factor helps or hurts Caleb's Posse's chances for the 3yo Eclipse.

The Factor was part of the caboose in the latter's BC Dirt Mile. However, he also blasted Caleb's Posse in the two-turn Grade 2 Rebel by over 6 lengths.

In addition, The Factor has a seasonal profile very similar to Caleb's Posse in that he won a pair of one-turn Grade 1s (one vs. elders) while adding a couple of Grade 2 wins for a total of 4. As they are both sort of "unique" candidates, they might cancel each other out.

Of course, there's a chance that the vast majority of voters have already made up their mind before this race.

Just another run off that can be had unless he gets his own way

RolloTomasi 12-27-2011 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 827494)
Just another run off that can be had unless he gets his own way

The Factor doesn't run off, he just has no stamina.

I guess his 9-5-0-0 race record doesn't suggest he's an all-or-nothing type.

Pardon me Mo'am, but the Strub Series brings out the worst in you...

freddymo 12-27-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 827501)
The Factor doesn't run off, he just has no stamina.

I guess his 9-5-0-0 race record doesn't suggest he's an all-or-nothing type.

Pardon me Mo'am, but the Strub Series brings out the worst in you...

I am a huge fan of the Strub

RolloTomasi 12-27-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 827508)
I am a huge fan of the Strub

...and that's not helping, either...

RockHardTen1985 12-27-2011 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 827494)
Just another run off that can be had unless he gets his own way

He got his own way yesterday?

RolloTomasi 12-27-2011 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 827604)
He got his own way yesterday?

Outside draw, soft opening quarter, other speed checks out after only a half-mile while forcing the eventual 2nd and 4th place finishers to steady sharply...

A lot things went in his favor.

No wonder Bob Baffert is complaining about the Beyer.

freddymo 12-28-2011 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 827606)
Outside draw, soft opening quarter, other speed checks out after only a half-mile while forcing the eventual 2nd and 4th place finishers to steady sharply...

A lot things went in his favor.

No wonder Bob Baffert is complaining about the Beyer.

Agree 100% once the speed checked out the entire race broke right for The Factor. He is prabably the best horse of that group sprinting anyhow but it was a dressed up performance. It wll never happen but I would like to see baffert send him down the hill, or try him in at mile on the turf

RolloTomasi 12-28-2011 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 827620)
It wll never happen but I would like to see baffert send him down the hill, or try him in at mile on the turf

If his campaign isn't derailed by a Dubai trip, I would think there's a very good chance The Factor winds up on the turf, at least for one start. After he gets dusted a couple of times in real races, some Baffert crony will whisper in his ear that War Front is a strong turf sire. He'll toss him in something like the Del Mar Mile or the Morvich hoping to once again revive the colt's career.

He might even try the BC Turf Sprint to avoid both the Dirt Mile and the Sprint proper.

RockHardTen1985 12-28-2011 09:56 AM

Got back from Foxwoods last night, 2 days there.... Just watching some replays. How good is Mr. Commons? Cant really say he beat nothing either.

RolloTomasi 12-28-2011 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 827625)
How good is Mr. Commons? Cant really say he beat nothing either.

Good enough to have swept the major 3yo turf stakes in CA. Also good enough to run competitively with Jeranimo and Caracortado. With any sort of maturity, he might catch up to those two this year.

Of course, starting the year off on the main track probably won't help his progression.

Dahoss 12-28-2011 11:08 AM

On the flip side, what was the excuse for Smash?

GPK 12-28-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 827437)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRw8Lj2MGp4

The highlight for me is at about 5:25 in the video. Richard Mandella seems less than enthused to be told by Baffert that "You want to win it fair."

His response to Brad Free's questions were pretty funny also. When he's done with the horses, politics might be an easy transition based on those responses.

:55 second mark

Chantal: "Twirling Candy touched my hind end while I was in motion..."

I'd volunteer for that duty.


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