Dalton and AJ Green aside. Bengals also have quite the D, did they come off the unemployment line? Good ole Chuck being the contrarian for the sake of being the Contrarian. :zz: its been reported that the Bengals didnt move Palmer previously because they didnt recieve the required 2nd round pick they demanded for him. This says something about the Raiders, how do you go into the season with a backup QB that you have such a lack of confidence in?

ask the colts that one!

the raiders tried to get someone who had been available at the right price...plus, they needed a backup for their qb-which is now palmer, this gives them two again til campbell returns.

sure. but unlike kolb, i actually think flynn could turn out well!

Yup. I never liked the guy from day one. Makes a few big plays while running for his life (and that was when they had an amazing line and running game) and everyone pegged him as something he wasn't. I want Jimmy Johnson back.

More tongue in cheek than anything else, it seemed like the Raider thing to do.
I like Tebow, if for no other reason you can be pretty sure he isn't raping women in his free time.

Yes the Bengals and Raiders owe thier tremendous success over the last decade to great 1st round choices. Andre Smith, Keith Rivers, Chris Perry, David Pollack, Akali Smith, Peter Warrick are all fairly recent gems for the Bengals who have exactly one 1st rd pick starting for that vaunted defense.

I dont think that doubting a potential poor 1st round selection by the management of the Bengals or Raiders qualifies as a contrarian view. Rather it would seem to be close to expected.

Vince Evans

Besides Palmer's declining mobility and arm strength, the Raiders just need someone to manage and not give it away Rex Grossman style.
Wonder if he would have enough zip to get the ball to Ford and Moore.

Now....Now....Al Davis has passed.....I'm sure the Raiders can now draft sensibly. Obviously we won't know until the 2013 draft.

amazing what dying does for a mans reputation. al davis the last few years was a laughingstock...now he's remembered as a football genius and legend.

at any rate, palmer is past his prime, but still better than anything else available for a desperate team.
raiders overpaid, but they have their reasons i guess.

as for rex grossman, he's now on the bench-beck gets the start. will anyone notice? i tried to enjoy the skins while they were doing well, as i figured it wouldn't last. nfc east is up for grabs, who figured that going in?

People think I'm blowing smoke when it comes to Matt Flynn. There was some more proof right there. I'm telling you he would be a better starter than at least 6-10 teams right now .

Calm down LSU boy. I could throw a TD pass against the Vikings this year.

I love seeing Flynn time in the 4th quarter, but don't get too excited over Flynn throwing 2 passes and running for a TD in garbage time against a deflated beat down team.

I believe Flynn will get paid by someone next year and he most likely won't be a packer, but I would not expect him to be the next Rodgers.

I'm accepting any smart comments such as this one from any Packer fans or the like. As I said, I know he is not Rodgers, but he would easily be a starter on about half of the teams in the league.

Flynn had a career day and probably earned himself a nice big fat pay check from someone next year where he will get his shot to be a starting QB. Is Flynn better than the Kyle Orton's, Rex Grossman's, Curtis Painter's of the world? yes. Is he a top 15 QB? That is yet to be seen. Remember how bear fans actually thought Caleb Hanie was good when he played well against the pack in the NFC championship last year? What happened when Hanie got the starting job this year? Flynn has a lot to prove and if he leaves the pack he will get that shot. Starting 16 games in the NFL will be the only way to see if Flynn has what it takes.

I think it's funny that Rex Ryan says his team is going to win the Super Bowl, they don't, and everyone eagerly piles on and laughs in his face. Meanwhile, Hue Jackson calls trading two first-round picks for Carson Palmer the greatest trade in NFL history, Palmer proceeds to throw 16 interceptions in 9 1/2 games, they miss the playoffs, and no one says a thing.

Rex is an attention whore who has gone to the AFC title game the last 2 years, while Oakland/Hue Jackson is still irrelevant at this point in the AFC landscape.

Yeah, that's probably it. Still funny to me.

I ripped the Palmer trade earlier in this thread. Palmer is a mediocrity and i said it would wind up as a horrible trade. Jackson was an idiot then and is asserting himself in the Al Davis void, this won't end well either.

Time will tell, but I have and will step out on a limb here and say he has the tools to be successful.

Pack would have fared better with Flynn today, Rodgers sucked.

Palmer to Raiders
 

Pack would have fared better with some stickem on their hands; 8 drops and 3 fumbles. Guess Rodgers was putting KY jelly on the football.

Face it, the TEAM didn't show up.


Ocala Mike

:zz: Get back to us once you watch the game. While it wasn't his best game, he far from sucked. Defense was practically non-existent on big 3rd downs it seemed and dropped passes out of the wazoo on the offensive side.

Give me anything but a Harbaugh Bowl. That's all i ask.

I think it will be the Harbaughless Bowl.

How much time did the o-line give Rodgers? How many drop balls were there? Give credit to the D-line of the Giants, Flynn would have been destroyed back there. Rodgers had over 60 yards rushing. Your man crush for a back up QB is ridiculous. Rodgers missed a few throws, but his WR's and TE's didn't give him much help. Dont forget Rodgers wasn't the DB who let a hail mary pass and couldn't tackle. If you turn the ball over 4 times you are not going to win.

Giants offensive execution and game plan were just about perfect, not sure even if Rodgers had a typical (read awesome) game it still would not have been enough. Time off probably did not help against a hot team either.

Turnovers
Packers 4 (which should have been 5) Gaints 1

No doubt a huge factor, but what they did with them is what counts. Raven had lots of turnovers too, all they did was squeak by.

Let me re-phrase it.
4 turnovers with the leagues worst defense.

+ 8 dropped passes, plus a stupid on side kick, plus the worse hail mary coverage ever.

Giants played a strong game, no doubt about it, but Packers held them to 56 total yards in the 3rd quarter and still couldn't close the gap. This one was on the offense, not their defense..ironically

turnovers killed both packers and saints. saints d held a couple times to force fg's, but when they fumbled 4 yards from the goal...well, that was the game decider right there. seven points no didn't get.
even if the taker doesn't score points, it certainly shut down the packers/saints offenses on those drives. you can't have that many giveaways and expect to win.

I don't know about you Bob, but when they tried that onside kick in the first half, I was really worried. It seemed kind of desperate to me even if they recovered it.

Did you get that feeling?

That and going for it on 4th and 5, down 7 and the chance to bury Giants at a time they weren't moving the ball. Giants end up with a field goal and it was all downhill from there.

If you told me a month ago that neither the Pack or Saints would be in the NFC Championship Game, i would've bet you the keys to the ranch.........Makes me sick to my stomach knowing the best team in the NFC East couldnt get it together until the bed was already a $hitty mess. (and makes me want to choke Sanchez to death with my bare hands for his beyond dismal week 16 performance)

I think McCarthy knew they were getting beat on both lines and tried to steal a possession with the onside kick. Anything that could go wrong did in that game. Manning had all day to throw and Rodgers had no time. Add 4 TO's and it is time to wait for pitchers and catcher report.

They have no one to blame but themselves. Hell, they didn't even have to play like the "dream team" to win the division.

Giants special teams has been notoriously bad all season long. That had to be his thinking behind the on-sides kick.

The play of the game of Osi's strip of Rodgers in the 3rd quarter, Rodgers was going to hit a wide open Jennings for 6 on that play.

Osi was ridiculous on that play. It happened so fast.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp1...n-start-friday

Looks like Flynn might not be the opening day starter...

After watching Russell Wilson all last year I am really pulling for him to do well in the NFL

We'll see how this plays out. If I am wrong in the end, I'll admit it.

I thought the Broncos made a mistake not picking him up over Osweiler. Kid is some athlete.

Wilson loses to to the vaunted Cardinals. Kinda tougher when you have to play a whole game against the 1st stringers. Its only a matter of time before Flynn is the starter. (If they want to try and win some games)