This could be true but before saying he won't be a starting qb, look at others around the league that are. Look at Beck in Washington who replaced the equally bad Grossman. Tavaris Jackson. McNabb and Orton were starters. Colt McCoy. Joe Flacco. Whoever starts in Miami. There are some bad starters out there. Tebow may be in the bottom 10% of starters but he's not the worst and he'll always be better than some of them out there and will be a starter in the NFL in my opinion.

I'm just going to continue to make a point for the f.uck of it. Because god-dam.nity I like to see my posts. Look at all that text, man! I've gotta be right! Maybe I can bore them into agreeing with me or get them to the point of telling me to go jump off a bridge. Just any attention. I ain't give a f.uck. Pay attention, son.

Stephen Tullock Tebows Tebow after sack. :tro::tro::tro:

This is cerebral talk---stay out of it.

Just wanted to check in with somer and ask him why karma took the day off on Sunday. Certainly it couldn't have been Tebow sucking, it had to be an absence of karma.

Maybe Karma doesn't work at high altitudes.............

i know some people are taking the tebow mockers to task...that they shouldn't be bashing the guy for his faith. the guy's entitled to his faith-but really, does he think god gives a rats ass about a football game? he can't bring about world peace, and tim tebow is pestering him about a game? maybe gods message to tim is 'geez, timmy, you got a heisman and your team won the nat'l title, that's not enough?'

This whole thing is getting crazier by the weirder by the week. 2-8 passing for 69 yards.....but a 56 yd touchdown in the fourth. McGahee was out. Moreno went down first quarter, no serious recievers....but they win again. In a results driven league where you take wins where you can, he is getting them. Very odd things going on here.

This thing gets crazier by the week, one QB in the NFL has a better road record as starter.
Yesterday was a clinic in how to run without a back at all. I am enjoying it completely and laugh at the haters as the wins pile up. If he continues to win they are going to have some serious 'splainin' to do after this season is over. Worse QB's have had some great careers.
I am a Cowboys fan living in Denver so I feel compelled (perhaps by a higher power???) to root for him.
Going to the game Thursday so I really hope they bring it. Got some Jet fans from NJ visiting.

Name worse QB's then Tebow who had "Great careers"

One either believes in karma or not, I do...many don't. It's not like I believe that his success or failure depends on karma, I just feel that good folks have positive karma on their side....and sure, bad things happen to good folks all the time. In the end, Tebow's skill set will determine his future, but as others have said, strange how he somehow ends up on the winning side so often. Finally, I agree Danzig, it's not world peace, it's football.

i bet texans fans are hoping leinart has good karma. schaub has a foot injury, no telling how long he'll be out.


as for tebow, i get a kick out of espn being wrong. how long it'll last, who knows? also get a laugh out of 'tebowing'. the guy works his ass off, i give him credit for that.

this reminds me of the good old days when people would come on to post their local temperture as proof that climate change didn't exist.

tebow has 3 wins against teams with a collective 11-16 record. his team is averaging less than 21 points/game in the 4 games he's started against defensive powerhouses miami, detroit, oakland, and kansas city.

i'll give him this. he's one hell of a fullback. but i'd still take ronnie brown's passing accuracy over his.

i'll take a stab at his stat line against the jets thursday: 5/16, 102 yards , 0 td's, 2 int. they won't win.

Trent Dilfer, jeff hosteltler, michael vick, mark sanchez, ben rothlisberger (once you rape a girl you lose all cred), rich gannon, doug williams etc. etc.
Kids played 7 games, some slack is due. And you can be sure he won't be raping anyone.

Climate change argument? Wow, he is important huh? Wins are wins in the awful afc west. Are the niners crap too? Their division sux. Must be an eagles fan.

your analogy sucks almost as much as tebow. san francisco has played 1 game against a division opponent so far. they're 3-1 against the nfc east and beat the same detroit team that dominated your boy.

they're better than average.

Anyone think Kyle Orton is a better qb than Tebow?

They have played the giants and cowboys as far as "legit" teams go. Cincy is still a joke and the third best team in the norris is no source of pride despite winning in denver, prior to reworking the offense to something that makes sense for the scenario.
Sadly "my boy" is Tony Romo and outside of yesterday, Tebow is better than him too.

This is really one of the dumbest posts ever on here. The group above has won at least 4 Super Bowls which will be 4 more than Tebow will win. There have been quite a few QB's that have gotten off to a good start yet failed miserably. You don't think NFL defenses will be able to stop the Denver veer offense after watching it on film for a few weeks?

Aside from Ben (who no longer matters as he rapes chicks) not one of the above has "won" a Superbowl. You have no understanding of high level competitive team sport or you would understand that.
Regarding the offense...good defenses will likely handle it sure, that said the way they tackle in the NFL these days lends itself to this offense handling many opponents.
As far as your prediction to Tebow's Superbowl wins, your ability to see the future is remarkable, please share in the selections thread more often.

As a QB, Tebow isn't better than any of the guys you listed. As a fullback, you are correct.

I'm not sure how someone can look at a 2 for 8 performance and do anything put laugh at the ridiculousness of it all.

Signed,

a hater

As a very young QB he has won two national championships, a Heisman and is 3-1 this year as a starter with the same teammates as Orton had for two years at 4-14 or whatever he was. Hate all you want, he seems to enjoy it as much as I do. Guy is two hail mary completions from having two wins over San Diego.
7TDs and 1 INT, yards are irrelevant, % is irrelevant, attempts are irrelevant.
Who is your teams QB?

i think christian ponder playing against the packers will have a better game than tim tebow playing against the jets.

he'll also have a better nfl career. but he wasn't a first round pick and doesn't have an adoring army of fans willing to ignore fundamental flaws in his abilities.

Bold statement about tonight. One of the worst defenses in the game as opposed t one of the best.
With your ability to forecast the unknown you to should spend more time in the selections thread. Where did you have the Broncos 4 starts ago? Certainly it was 3-1. You people know as much about football as Riot does politics.

i wasn't the one boasting about a 3-1 record against miami, detroit, oakland, and kansas city, pot.

-kettle.

The problem with this simple kind of thinking is that well, it's far too simple. Understand what I am saying, Tebow is a very good football player. He just isn't a very good pro QB and that isn't going to change if he never loses another game.

Again, he had TWO completions yesterday. Two. I also don't hate him, nor am I a hater. I just think it's funny you called people haters for not jumping on the bandwagon.

I'm so sure in my ability to see the future I'll bet you a $1000. The bet is Tebow does not take the majority of snaps AT QUARTERBACK on a super bowl winning team. Put your money where your mouth is.

By the way, I think he's a good football player and a quality person. I just don't think he has the skill set to have success at QB in the NFL over an extended period of time.

So certain you will make an even money bet. Wow, bold of you. Bet you 10k the sun comes up tomorrow. I will give you 1000-1 odds it does.

:zz: credability meet window. A truly nascaresque post

I thought you wouldn't require odds. As a young quarterback Tebow won 2 national championships and a Heisman.

He is to football what what Zenyatta was to horse racing. Something for the fan to talk about but not fully understand. A trolls paradise.

i still :{>: me some Timmy. he has more heart than all the players on my team combined.

edit.

except Shady McCoy. I cant group him in with all the other Eagles, he's the man.

You said it.

Help us haters out. What do we need to understand that we aren't? How does a 2 for 8 passing performance equate to a good NFL QB?

Not for nothing but the aggressor here is you. You've gotten all bent out of shape defending your guy (which is admirable) but he hasn't performed well enough for any sane person to defend his play. The only thing you can say is they are winning, which is the most important thing. Is that because of Tebow's play? Of course not. How could it be?

Yes he was, he was the 12th pick overall.

Tebow a perfect fit http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/phi/1935.htm

I am defending "my guy" because results speak for themselves. I own a company, if I hire a sales guy who does things completely differently than any of my other sales guys and his results with the same staff and support we have now are a complete inversion from where we were before, the guy deserves credit. I don't care how he got there.
If not his play than what? His intangibles, maybe. Both Decker and Miller were on espn yesterday saying the same things, the guy brings the team up and isnt scared to put it on his own back when need be.
Re: Ponder...I will take 2-8 62tds and a TD (plus one rushing) over 16-38 160 and an INT every day.
You all don't like him (as a QB anyway, I give everyone credit for speaking to his person and work ethics) but this town has really jumped on board and it has been fun. I hope they keep winning. :wf

But has he really put the team on his back? It seems like in 2 out of the 3 wins (Miami and KC), they got very strong defensive performances (against bad teams). In the Oakland game they got a few big plays out of other players (McGahee and Royal), regardless he played well in what was a very good road win. I guess as the QB, he's the leader and a big part of it, but realistically those seemed like overall total "TEAM" wins as opposed to a guy carrying the entire team on his back.
You would think that those intangibles he brings to the table will get tried quickly if and when he is needed to really carry the team on his back and throw the ball 40 times. I think that's when we will see what he's really made of.

Not my words, paraphrased from Decker and Miller.
I do not disagree they are team wins, I maintain that the team is better with him as their leader. "Math" says so.

We will see in the coming weeks, the waters get much deeper.

You think Rex will have something for him?