Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   Triple Crown Topics/Archive.. (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9)
-   -   Updated Derby Chances - Prep Recap (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41896)

justindew 04-17-2011 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mawhip (Post 769852)
Thanks. What would I do without you.

You would forget to put a question mark on the end of questions.

Mawhip 04-17-2011 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 769859)
Not sure where you went to school.... but in your haste to prove another poster's stupidity you have placed a dunce cap on your own head.

E-F-F-E-C-T is not only grammatically appropriate in that instance, but is also almost always grammatically correct when describing a consequence (and seeing that almost every event is a consequence of some other event, this word is rarely misused and hardly ever incorrect). In this case Mawhip is describing the consequence of his leaving Lehman Brothers (he got rich on stock options).

A-F-F-E-C-T is only appropriate when someone's feelings have been triggered (such as: leaving Lehman Brothers affected him so deeply that he committed suicide). Could Mawhip have used "affect" in this instance? Sure... it would work. Does the fact the he could have used it make your correction valid? No.

You should feel like a moron.

However, in your defense Mawhip did say "effect me" when he should have more properly stated "had the effect of". Perhaps: Lehman Brothers is not hiring, but I left before the collapse and sold all my stock before it tanked, which had the effect of generating enormous wealth for my family.

All grammer aside, I was just responding to the attempted lowball thrown by Drugs. But like so often with Drugs, he was wrong. He just tries to look smart after the fact as was the case with the Archarcharch overlay. Had he been so smart, he would have told us this BEFORE the race.

justindew 04-17-2011 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 769859)
Not sure where you went to school.... but in your haste to prove another poster's stupidity you have placed a dunce cap on your own head.

E-F-F-E-C-T is not only grammatically appropriate in that instance, but is also almost always grammatically correct when describing a consequence (and seeing that almost every event is a consequence of some other event, this word is rarely misused and hardly ever incorrect). In this case Mawhip is describing the consequence of his leaving Lehman Brothers (he got rich on stock options).

A-F-F-E-C-T is only appropriate when someone's feelings have been triggered (such as: leaving Lehman Brothers affected him so deeply that he committed suicide). Could Mawhip have used "affect" in this instance? Sure... it would work. Does the fact the he could have used it make your correction valid? No.

You should feel like a moron.

However, in your defense Mawhip did say "effect me" when he should have more properly stated "had the effect of". Perhaps: Lehman Brothers is not hiring, but I left before the collapse and sold all my stock before it tanked, which had the effect of generating enormous wealth for my family.

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com...us-effect.aspx

I'm right.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2011 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 769867)
Low priced underlays win more than their rightful proportion of races

No they don't.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2011 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mawhip (Post 769864)
Had he been so smart, he would have told us this BEFORE the race.

And why would I care to do that?

Think hard, dumbfucl<

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2011 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew (Post 769868)

Who cares?

The whole purpose of the post was as follows....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 769859)
generating enormous wealth for my family.

Tell me you knew?

Mawhip 04-17-2011 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 769871)
And why would I care to do that?

Think hard, dumbfucl<

You can't possibly be inferring that it will effect or affect the price. Please don't be telling me that. If so, that is very sad.

DaTruth 04-17-2011 09:59 PM

DrugS gave us Vale of York before the BC Juvenile. Folks, there is no need to get greedy.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2011 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mawhip (Post 769873)
You can't possibly be inferring that it will effect or affect the price. Please don't be telling me that.

You have to be able to forecast the odds correctly to determine that.

Had I posted "a pick" before the race .... I would have "picked" Elite Alex (who was 8/1 on the ML) versus Archarcharch (who was 12/1 on the ML)

That's really not even the reason why I don't bother posting picks .... it's because of the ankle-biting I put up with afterwards when one of them losses.

Mawhip 04-17-2011 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 769876)
You have to be able to forecast the odds correctly to determine that.

Had I posted "a pick" before the race .... I would have "picked" Elite Alex (who was 8/1 on the ML) versus Archarcharch (who was 12/1 on the ML)

That's really not even the reason why I don't bother posting picks .... it's because of the ankle-biting I put up with afterwards when one of them losses.


I see. You don't offer these words of wisdom because you don't know the odds. I'm assuming then you are too busy with 25 minutes to post to come on here and state your opinions before the race yet you have the time to find a chart from the 1896 Gazelle Stakes and cut and paste that to show how clever you are.

Come on Drugs. Don't you think you will be criticsized more for your rampant redboarding than being wrong. Everybody is wrong.

Scav 04-17-2011 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 769874)
DrugS gave us Vale of York before the BC Juvenile. Folks, there is no need to get greedy.

And talked about Furthest Land being a great play.

He at the very least talks about why horses are good plays / bad plays with details.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2011 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mawhip (Post 769877)
I see. You don't offer these words of wisdom because you don't know the odds. I'm assuming then you are too busy with 25 minutes to post to come on here and state your opinions before the race yet you have the time to find a chart from the 1896 Gazelle Stakes and cut and paste that to show how clever you are.

Unlike Lehman Brothers - I don't get paid one cent to post here. I do it for my own pleasure.

I post that type of stuff early in the morning or on Monday's and Tuesday's - if you haven't noticed.

Here's an old story I read though ....


dalakhani 04-17-2011 11:49 PM

Justin is right. Although, that was a pretty slick reversal attempt by rare bog. Kudos.

Why does "affect" have to be in regards to feeling? That is pretty funny.

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2011 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 769891)
Justin is right.

Don't ever say that again.

Don't even think it.

Indian Charlie 04-18-2011 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 769854)
I'll try not to.

Ok - I've lowered my revised line to 0.25% on Uncle Mo. Thanks for the critical heads up.

What?

You jerk!

Indian Charlie 04-18-2011 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 769876)
You have to be able to forecast the odds correctly to determine that.

Had I posted "a pick" before the race .... I would have "picked" Elite Alex (who was 8/1 on the ML) versus Archarcharch (who was 12/1 on the ML)

That's really not even the reason why I don't bother posting picks .... it's because of the ankle-biting I put up with afterwards when one of them losses.

Did you mean loses?

justindew 04-18-2011 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 769888)
Ummmm. Definitely not.

Instead of running off to some cute website to double check your stupidity.... try re-reading my post. The word she wanted to use was EFFECT. A result. A consequence. It's not my problem she didn't use it as a noun (a fact also noted at the bottom of my post). Your original issue was with her word choice, not her usage.

Nice try to change your direction midstream. You need a new oar.

Here is the original sentence:

Lehman Brothers is not hiring but I left before the collapse so it didn't really effect me other than the fact that I sold all my stock before it tanked.

"....it didn't really EFFECT me...."

Verb.

Now, here are a bunch of websites showing that the correct word in that situation is AFFECT.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/affect.html

http://www.writersblock.ca/tips/monthtip/tipsep99a.htm

http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/englis..._as_a_ver.html

randallscott35 04-18-2011 07:52 AM

It's affect in that usage...Enough already.

tector 04-18-2011 01:36 PM

Effect, affect--your all retarded.

robfla 04-18-2011 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tector (Post 769977)
Effect, affect--your all retarded.

you're


my biggest gripe is "alot" - it's either "allot" or "a lot"

there is no such word as alot....even the spellchecker on this site picks it up!

Indian Charlie 04-18-2011 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfla (Post 769980)
you're


my biggest gripe is "alot" - it's either "allot" or "a lot"

there is no such word as alot....even the spellchecker on this site picks it up!

i like the enthusiasm from that girl in your avatar, alot to.

Merlinsky 04-18-2011 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 769892)
Don't ever say that again.

Don't even think it.

I'm not sure it's so bad to give him credit on proper grammar as long as his math skills go right on being terrible.

justindew 04-18-2011 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 770012)
I'm not sure it's so bad to give him credit on proper grammar as long as his math skills go right on being terrible.

What are you talking about?

Merlinsky 04-18-2011 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew (Post 770015)
What are you talking about?

You might want to read back on the thread, unless you missed the reason the link to the online calculator was posted. 25/1 odds = a 4% chance. You corrected it to 24/1 odds which is 4.17% rounded. The fact that you thought it was 24 to 1 means you did the math in your head. That you made the mistake happens to anybody. You knew there was a 4 in there somewhere. That you corrected someone else who got it right is the reason that I got annoyed. 1/25 = 4/100

Your situation on the affect/effect argument was basically a reversal of the odds thing. You knew the proper way to do it, someone tried to correct you, but they were wrong. You even spent time looking it up and providing sources. I just found it ironic. Alanis Morissette probably didn't as she improperly identified "irony" in a very catchy song to millions of teenagers. The point about your math skills I just made was a joke about how understanding of basic fractions is probably important when betting. 25/1, as I'm sure you know, means you'll get more money than you would if the horse was 24/1. That's all I'm saying.

While we're grammar griping, it always bugs me when people say things like "Joe and I" trying to sound sophisticated when "Joe and me" can be correct depending on the rest of the sentence.

paulo537 04-18-2011 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 770038)
You might want to read back on the thread, unless you missed the reason the link to the online calculator was posted. 25/1 odds = a 4% chance. You corrected it to 24/1 odds which is 4.17% rounded. The fact that you thought it was 24 to 1 means you did the math in your head. That you made the mistake happens to anybody. You knew there was a 4 in there somewhere. That you corrected someone else who got it right is the reason that I got annoyed. 1/25 = 4/100

Your situation on the affect/effect argument was basically a reversal of the odds thing. You knew the proper way to do it, someone tried to correct you, but they were wrong. You even spent time looking it up and providing sources. I just found it ironic. Alanis Morissette probably didn't as she improperly identified "irony" in a very catchy song to millions of teenagers. The point about your math skills I just made was a joke about how understanding of basic fractions is probably important when betting. 25/1, as I'm sure you know, means you'll get more money than you would if the horse was 24/1. That's all I'm saying.

While we're grammar griping, it always bugs me when people say things like "Joe and I" trying to sound sophisticated when "Joe and me" can be correct depending on the rest of the sentence.

You just ended that sentence using a preposition.

tector 04-18-2011 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfla (Post 769980)
you're


No, you are!

DaTruth 04-18-2011 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 770038)
While we're grammar griping, it always bugs me when people say things like "Joe and I" trying to sound sophisticated when "Joe and me" can be correct depending on the rest of the sentence.

Misuse of decapitated is a favorite. Officer, would you describe the victim as being in severe pain? Yes, he was screaming because his forearm had been decapitated.

Dunbar 04-18-2011 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 770074)
Much like with horse picks, there are more than a few tards in this place. All of you running to back Justrindew are still incorrect. The fact that Mawhip isn't smart enough to construct the sentence properly and get his nouns and verbs in the proper spot DOES NOT change the fact that he still intended to use EFFECT which is the correct word given the intentions of what he meant to say.

There's a slew of you that are very very mistaken.

ef·fect
–noun
1. something that is produced by an agency or cause; result; consequence

Clearly, in the original post, Mawhip intended to show quitting Lehman and selling his stock options prior to the crash produced wealth and he didn't really care what happened to the company after that. Now, if you puds couldn't infer that, it explains a lot about all the other bad opinions that take place here.

Right word, wrong use. The end.

So, your position is that you know what Mawhip really meant, therefore his misuse of "effect" is not really a grammatical error? Maybe you're joking.

Once again, the original sentence was "Lehman Brothers is not hiring but I left before the collapse so it didn't really effect me other than the fact that I sold all my stock before it tanked. "

There should be zero question that the correct word is "affect" not "effect". But if it makes you feel smart to call the rest of us 'tards', then by all means, proceed.

--Dunbar

justindew 04-18-2011 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 770038)
You might want to read back on the thread, unless you missed the reason the link to the online calculator was posted. 25/1 odds = a 4% chance. You corrected it to 24/1 odds which is 4.17% rounded. The fact that you thought it was 24 to 1 means you did the math in your head. That you made the mistake happens to anybody. You knew there was a 4 in there somewhere. That you corrected someone else who got it right is the reason that I got annoyed. 1/25 = 4/100

Your situation on the affect/effect argument was basically a reversal of the odds thing. You knew the proper way to do it, someone tried to correct you, but they were wrong. You even spent time looking it up and providing sources. I just found it ironic. Alanis Morissette probably didn't as she improperly identified "irony" in a very catchy song to millions of teenagers. The point about your math skills I just made was a joke about how understanding of basic fractions is probably important when betting. 25/1, as I'm sure you know, means you'll get more money than you would if the horse was 24/1. That's all I'm saying.

While we're grammar griping, it always bugs me when people say things like "Joe and I" trying to sound sophisticated when "Joe and me" can be correct depending on the rest of the sentence.

You are an unbridled moron. 25-1 odds does not equal a 1 in 25 chance. It equals a 1 in 26 chance. By your logic, 1-1 odds would equal a 100% chance. It does not. It equals a 50% chance. 1-1 equals one chance in two. 50%.

2-1 equals one chance in three. 33%.

Thus, 24-1 would equal one chance in 25. Or 4%.

I win. Again. I didn't miss the calculator. You are dumb. Thanks.

Danzig 04-18-2011 09:28 PM

a woman boards a plane and sits next to a conceited passenger. attempting to start a conversation, she asks 'so, where are you from?' the other woman condescendingly replies 'from a place where you don't end a sentence with a preposition.' 'oh', replies the woman who pauses in silence for a few moments....

'so', she asks again, sweetly, 'where are you from, bitch?'


ah, grammar.....

i have to admit tho, i wish alot would disappear forever.

miraja2 04-18-2011 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunbar (Post 770079)
There should be zero question that the correct word is "affect" not "effect". But if it makes you feel smart to call the rest of us 'tards', then by all means, proceed.

--Dunbar

There is zero question.

"Rare Bog" is unquestionably wrong.

However, I give him credit. Internet debates about errors in spelling and grammar are usually quite boring. He remains so adamant in defending his ridiculousness, however, that he has elevated the debate from completely pointless to simply uninteresting.

philcski 04-18-2011 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 769888)
Ummmm. Definitely not.

Instead of running off to some cute website to double check your stupidity.... try re-reading my post. The word she wanted to use was EFFECT. A result. A consequence. It's not my problem she didn't use it as a noun (a fact also noted at the bottom of my post). Your original issue was with her word choice, not her usage.

Nice try to change your direction midstream. You need a new oar.

You, sir...

ARE WRONG.

It's AFFECT.

Mawhip 04-18-2011 10:01 PM

Can we get back to the original topic that Drugs is a serial redboarder. This grammer stuff is so confusing.

Indian Charlie 04-18-2011 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew (Post 770080)
You are an unbridled moron. 25-1 odds does not equal a 1 in 25 chance. It equals a 1 in 26 chance. By your logic, 1-1 odds would equal a 100% chance. It does not. It equals a 50% chance. 1-1 equals one chance in two. 50%.

2-1 equals one chance in three. 33%.

Thus, 24-1 would equal one chance in 25. Or 4%.

I win. Again. I didn't miss the calculator. You are dumb. Thanks.

Shouldn't 'unbridled' be capitalized? Unbridled.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:56 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.