I can name Revis however!! How big an idiot can I be? (wait, don't answer that!) I can name Haden and Brown too as I am a Browns fan!!

Maybe not every human being on the planet is worth standing up for and defending, but I think Marvin Lewis deserves defense is all. He was far, far from a coaching disaster there in Cincinnati. Of course, I am also in the camp of keeping Mangini for another year at least. I'm not convinced he is a terrible coach either yet.

Wilford Brimley stand-in Holmgren will be the Browns coach next year.

Mangini's done a far better coaching job this season than Lewis has. The other problem with Lewis is that not only has he not won a playoff game, his performance is getting worse as his tenure progresses. After going 42-38 his first five years, he's 18-28-1 his last three. And those unbelievable losses against Tampa and New Orleans are on him. Just because he made the Bengals mediocre for a few years rather than terrible doesn't mean he gets the job forever.

What's the magic number ateam? How long do you give a coach. What if the Jets lost their first playoff game this year, do you fire Rex Ryan? He had two years and couldnt' get to the Super Bowl, so what good is he?? Is it 4 years? 6 years? 3 years? What is your magic forumla for how long a coach should have?

Yeah, that's a good comparison. Rex has coached two years, went to the AFC Championship game in his first and is in the playoffs in his second. Marvin Lewis has coached eight years and is 0-2 in the playoffs. THE SCALES ARE PERFECTLY BALANCED!

Carson Palmer should be fired.

And with that being said no sane man would want the Cincinnati job.

That's not a comparison. I'm not comparing anything. Where do you ateam, yourself, draw the line? When is enough time? Is going to the playoffs every year enough even if you never win a championship? Is that enough to keep your job? Is it 5 years of doing that until you win a championship? I simply like quiet coaches like Lewis is all. The 3 best coaches of my lifetime of the teams I follow were Mike Hargrove, Lenny Wilkens, and Marty Schottenheimer. None of the 3 won a championship, the fans and management got tired of them and they were let go and none of those teams has been as good since they left. None of the 3 could win the last game of the season as they always lost that last one...so they got canned.

I've seen 3 coaches in Cleveland with similar temperment to Lewis who had success get canned and none of those 3 teams have ever been as good since. Just because Lewis can't win titles in Cincy does not mean firing him will make the team better. I think it's just as likely they will get worse if they fire him is all. I've seen it happen many times over.

Oh, cut the bullshit. He's had eight seasons, won zero playoff games and his results are getting worse. The guy should be gone.

Here's Bill Cowher's 7th, 8th and 9th seasons in Pittsburgh. 7-9, 6-10, 9-7. That's 22-26.

Not only zero playoff wins, but zero playoff games those 3 years. He had a few playoff wins at that point, but no titles, only one Super Bowl appearance. By his 14th season he finally won a title. They are the model NFL franchise. I prefer their method.

Wow, you really have to be kidding at this point. That might be the worst cherry-picking I've ever seen. The guy had already gone 11-5, 9-7, 12-4, 11-5, 10-6 and 11-5 with 6 playoff appearances in the 6 years before that and went to a Super Bowl. And now you're comparing him to Marvin Lewis. You're terrible at debating.

I did not compare him to Marvin Lewis. As a separate entity I detailed Cowher's 7th. 8th and 9th seasons. I never compared how Cowher coaches a game to how Lewis coaches a game. Cowher had 6 good but non-championship years, much better than Noll's last 6 years. Lewis took the team to 2 division titles in 8 years after zero for the franchise the previous 12. Cowher improved the Steelers, then had 3 struggling years....the calm franchise stuck with him and it paid off. I can compare and say Lewis did improve the Bengal franchise then struggled this year. I can say that perhaps based on only this year it may be hasty to decide to fire him. I look at last year, they had the defending Super Bowl champions and the two participants in the AFC championship game in their division and they swept them and won the division. That my friend is a great coaching job...period, end of story.

I can compare how franchises behave and what to do. AFter what the Steelers had done championship wise with Noll, it would have made sense to fire a guy like Cowher after 3 terrible years, they didn't.

No, noone on this board can compete with me for presenting facts and logic to any debate. You come with stuff like look how the refs are cheating the Boston Celtics.

ON another note, what do you guys think about Rex Ryan being a swinger?

are there any stains on blue dresses is the big question.

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You're really grasping at straws. Cowher's production through his first 6 years absolutely obliterates Lewis'. You like Lewis because he's quiet, leave it at that. There's simply no argument for keeping him in Cinci and your pathetic comparisons of him to Rex Ryan and Bill Cowher clearly underscore that.

This might be the funniest thing you've ever said. All I've done in this thread is show you facts. All you've done is talk about how quiet he is, how you can't name anyone on the Bengals and how he's totally just like Rex Ryan and Bill Cowher.

Creepy very Creepy...

In all 9 of those seasons Cowher had a QB worse than Carson Palmer. He accomplished those winning seasons with Kordell Stewert, Bubby Brister, and Neil O'Donohue. When he got a better QB he was somehow able to win a SB. Marvin Lewis should be fired, if you strive for mediocrity as a franchise you should sell the team. Marvin Lewis is a very good Defensive coordinater but a mediocre head coach.

Cherry-picking season. Can't wait.

Ok, I compared them. The facts I presented are the Bengals were a far superior product with Lewis for 8 years than the 12 years prior.

You cannot debate that fact. Period.

I displayed how bad the Steelers were in Cowher's 7th, 8th and 9th seasons at the helm.

You cannot debate that fact. Period.

I said the Steelers didn't fire Cowher after those 3 bad seasons.

You cannot debate that fact. Period.

I stated the Bengals in 2009 swept the two participants in the 2008 AFC Championship game in their division.

You cannot debate that fact. Period.

I don't think the facts are completely in favor of firing Lewis. Period.

What evidence is there that after his knee surgery that Carson Palmer is a great NFL qb?? Or for that matter even a good one?? They won last year playing defense and running the football. Not because of Carson Palmer.

His name was Neil O'Donnell.

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They still aren't good. And mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded, especially when it's getting worse.

Completely irrelevant to this discussion because of how much more successful Cowher was in his first six seasons than Lewis.

See above.

Let me know when they hang that banner.

They overwhelmingly are. The pathetic list of 'arguments' you just listed is clear proof.

My purpose of bringing up Cowher was to show how a great franchise does things. HE did have 3 very bad years in a row. I brought up Rex Ryan simply because he is a Jets coach. I brought him up simply to ask you how many non championship seasons would you keep him before firing him, which you never answered.

Rex Ryan has accomplished more in less than two seasons than Marvin Lewis has in eight. And for the last time, Cowher had three mediocre seasons after six outstanding ones. Show me Lewis' six outstanding seasons in a row to start his career. The Steelers kept a successful coach around. The Bengals would be keeping a mediocre-at-best one. Those are just the facts.

Brister wasn't the starter for Cowher. However, Tommy Maddox was.

Oh my god.

Palmer waas there since 2003. How come they couldn't play defense or run the ball this year? I'll help you with this before you cherry pick some other bull crap stats. Better coaches stopped the run and made Cincy adjust. They couldn't partially because of the coach. Better coaches also found ways to attack the defense the Cincy staff couldn't adjust. That is why he should be fired.

You go on and on about his lack of playoff wins. His best team he ever had back when Carson Palmer was actually a very good quarterback he tore up his knee on the first pass he threw ( a 70 yard completion.) that game. They played the whole game with Jon Kitna. That really happened. There's even color photographs.

So what about the other seven seasons? Let's hear the eight years of excuses. I'm sure you have the time. Or is it just 'Carson Palmer sucks!'?

God perhaps could, after that, no.

No, Marvin Lewis wasn't good enough to make the Cincinnati Bengals a dominant NFL franchise. He wasn't near good enough. He was good enough to improve by a huge margin a terrible and pathetic franchise. I'm not sure he should get fired.

I repeat 55-137 were the Bengals the 12 years prior to Marvin coming.

56-55-1 in Marvin's first 7 years with the team.

Those are the plain and simple facts. THe 4-11 this year is enough for you to fire him. I'm simply not sure.

I will give him that.

No it f'ing isn't. It's the inability to make the team more than a mediocrity in eight chances to do so. It's great that he made them not a laughingstock for a little while. But eventually, he has to do better than that. He hasn't done it and he's had plenty of time. The 4-11 is just the final straw.

Maddox played well after the 3 years that that horseofcourse was referencing in his argument. You are mostly right about Brister, he only started a few games Cowher's rookie year.

Tommy Maddox is also the answer to a trivia question. He was the first and only MVP in the XFL. Remember that league? Loved watching He Hates Me play. I forgot his name but loved his shirt.

These stats are all good but you must factor in the salary cap. In the years of futility you are referencing there was no cap and cheap small market franchises suffered. In the salary cap era there are very few teams that have not won a playoff game in the same length of time. None with the same coach.

I feel any coach they hire will have a tough time making them a yearly NFL Super Bowl contending power or even have the success that Marvin Lewis had. The Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 coaches in the last 41 years. They are the model to follow. He did work for Mike Brown and for the most part put a competetive team on the field every year he coached.

And horseofcourse neglects to mention that free agency and the looser cap rules really opened up in those years and Pittsburgh was left with no money to compete in signing its own free agents let alone adding from other teams.

How old is riverfront stadium anyway?

edit: Old enough that the bengals havent played there in years. LOL. There goes that excuse.

My start of comparison is the Cleveland Browns you have to realize. I see 7 years of over .500 football and it is impossible for me to call that a bad coach! I view two 5-11 years from Mangini as actual good football. EVeryone's point of reference is different which is why I like to argue stuff that seems undefendable.