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Thunder Gulch 11-15-2010 11:14 AM

I don't think he would hit the classic board by any stretch, but Mo was the best, easiest winner I can remember, and many had this juvenile field as above average going in.

randallscott35 11-15-2010 11:15 AM

A shame that BoysAT is being overlooked for the race he ran. No it wasn't MO quality but it was a very very good race.

RockHardTen1985 11-15-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 723486)
A shame that BoysAT is being overlooked for the race he ran. No it wasn't MO quality but it was a very very good race.

Why is it a shame? He was second best, what does he deserve? He wont be much next year....

randallscott35 11-15-2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 723489)
Why is it a shame? He was second best, what does he deserve? He wont be much next year....

Shame may be the wrong word. All I can say is I thought they both ran great. Obviously MO ran a hole in the wind.

NTamm1215 11-15-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 723490)
Shame may be the wrong word. All I can say is I thought they both ran great. Obviously MO ran a hole in the wind.

I agree, he was born in the wrong year it would seem.

They'll both be cozy in their stalls when the Derby rolls around any way.

RockHardTen1985 11-15-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 723491)
I agree, he was born in the wrong year it would seem.

They'll both be cozy in their stalls when the Derby rolls around any way.


B@T is D'Funnybone all over again.

randallscott35 11-15-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 723492)
B@T is D'Funnybone all over again.

That's just silly.

Sightseek 11-15-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 723492)
B@T is D'Funnybone all over again.

I was just about to say I wouldn't be totally shocked if he tried to roll into the Derby off of the juvie with the way he has been campaigning his stakes horses lately.

RockHardTen1985 11-15-2010 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 723494)
That's just silly.

He was a dream trip Grade 1 winner, and beat a horrible maiden group while running fast first time Dutrow. Expected, right?
Im really not sure what anyone sees in him, but OK Ill stop for now.

randallscott35 11-15-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 723498)
He was a dream trip Grade 1 winner, and beat a horrible maiden group while running fast first time Dutrow. Expected, right?
Im really not sure what anyone sees in him, but OK Ill stop for now.

His first race for Hess was really good too. He has done nothing and I repeat nothing wrong at this point. Let's leave it at that.

RockHardTen1985 11-15-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 723502)
His first race for Hess was really good too. He has done nothing and I repeat nothing wrong at this point. Let's leave it at that.

The horse who beat him first time out has turned into a total plug. I feel bad for Howard, because he was really high on that horse. Talked him up multiple times on the AM Saratoga shows.

randallscott35 11-15-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 723504)
The horse who beat him first time out has turned into a total plug. I feel bad for Howard, because he was really high on that horse. Talked him up multiple times on the AM Saratoga shows.

I didn't realize that running second in a stake for your debut means the horse that beat you needs to be good in order to take anything positive away from it.

NTamm1215 11-15-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 723498)
He was a dream trip Grade 1 winner, and beat a horrible maiden group while running fast first time Dutrow. Expected, right?
Im really not sure what anyone sees in him, but OK Ill stop for now.

You understand that thinking Boys at Tosconova is not good doesn't really work if you think Uncle Mo is some kind of superstar, right?

No matter what you have to say about Boys at Tosconova, he proved to be better than basically every horse in his 2YO crop besides Uncle Mo. Whether he's going to be a legitimate factor next year remains to be seen. I'm inclined to think that there's a reason why he was handled with kid gloves.

RockHardTen1985 11-15-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 723506)
You understand that thinking Boys at Tosconova is not good doesn't really work if you think Uncle Mo is some kind of superstar, right?

No matter what you have to say about Boys at Tosconova, he proved to be better than basically every horse in his 2YO crop besides Uncle Mo. Whether he's going to be a legitimate factor next year remains to be seen. I'm inclined to think that there's a reason why he was handled with kid gloves.


Have I ever said UM is a superstar?

RockHardTen1985 11-15-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 723505)
I didn't realize that running second in a stake for your debut means the horse that beat you needs to be good in order to take anything positive away from it.

I know what it means, but what if that Stakes group WAS IN NO WAY BETTER THEN A SARATOGA OR BELMONT MAIDEN RACE...In this case, I think thats accurate.

NTamm1215 11-15-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 723507)
Have I ever said UM is a superstar?

So he's not? I may not be too high on Uncle Mo's prospects in the Derby but his Juvenile was pretty damn impressive.

RockHardTen1985 11-15-2010 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 723509)
So he's not? I may not be too high on Uncle Mo's prospects in the Derby but his Juvenile was pretty damn impressive.

Im just asking if I said it? I get crazy about horses all the time, Im just curious if I have about UM yet?
I like the Mott better long term, and Pletcher has a nice one that ran second in the Keeneland stakes.

NTamm1215 11-15-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 723511)
Im just asking if I said it? I get crazy about horses all the time, Im just curious if I have about UM yet?
I like the Mott better long term, and Pletcher has a nice one that ran second in the Keeneland stakes.

If you're talking about Santiva then yeah, I agree, he's got great credentials for the undercard turf race on Oaks day.

I can't possibly keep up with what you've said about Uncle Mo or any other horse.

RockHardTen1985 11-15-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 723512)
If you're talking about Santiva then yeah, I agree, he's got great credentials for the undercard turf race on Oaks day.

I can't possibly keep up with what you've said about Uncle Mo or any other horse.

I have said really nothing about UM, I think I said he is OK.

randallscott35 11-15-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 723513)
I have said really nothing about UM, I think I said he is OK.

Ok...Is that like flank steak? What are you watching

Indian Charlie 11-15-2010 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 723486)
A shame that BoysAT is being overlooked for the race he ran. No it wasn't MO quality but it was a very very good race.

I thought he ran a great race myself. Considering the circumstances.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-15-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Slewbopper (Post 723184)
Could Mo have come home in 26 flat off a 36 and 1 mile if he ran in the Classic? If so, he would have been in the photo. Tall order for a 2 yo but who knows?

Probably - but that analogy doesn't work because they ran in two seperate races with different paces.

Uncle Mo would have obviously been a pace casualty in the BC Classic.

Quality Road did very little running at all - sure, he might have beat Life At Ten, but that's it.

If Blame and Zenyatta had been inserted into the BC Juvie - with that easy pace in relation to the one in the Classic - Uncle Mo is still going to run his same race. Those two closers aren't going to make him slower.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-15-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 723405)
I was trying to make a point Jack.

That being said, I seem to remember this book I had as a kid called "The Way it Was". It was a sports book recounting big moments in sports, like the shot heard round the world.

I seem to remember a college team beating the pros several decades ago :D

The Bid was Nashoba's Key's biggest fan east of the Rockies. He chewed me out in a post here when I argued that Zenyatta would probably beat her.

Now, he's a rabid Zenyatta fan for some reason.

Indian Charlie 11-15-2010 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 723530)
The Bid was Nashoba's Key's biggest fan east of the Rockies. He chewed me out in a post here when I argued that Zenyatta would probably beat her.

Now, he's a rabid Zenyatta fan for some reason.

The reason is that he is a mindless drone.

Indian Charlie 11-15-2010 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 723530)
The Bid was Nashoba's Key's biggest fan east of the Rockies. He chewed me out in a post here when I argued that Zenyatta would probably beat her.

Now, he's a rabid Zenyatta fan for some reason.

By the way, do you still believe Z would have beaten NK?

The Indomitable DrugS 11-15-2010 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 723540)
By the way, do you still believe Z would have beaten NK?

Who knows.

At that time I just happened to be a big fan of Zenyatta off of her impressive first three wins... and John Shireffs has always been a favorite trainer of mine. You don't name your E-mail after High Wire Act if you're not a fan of that trainer.

randallscott35 11-15-2010 01:42 PM

I sure wish I could just bet the horse that will run the fastest fig...I mean my best bet on Day 1 was Red Desire and sure enough she ran the fastest in the race while finishing 4th. Of course when pea brain Kent is on her and goes 4W 4W in race with quite a few turns, it won't matter much.

Smooth Operator 11-15-2010 03:07 PM

They're callin Pletch a "robot" over at TC

Pretty funny actually


Anyway, better hope this young beast can pull some stamina from that pedigree bottom … cuz Pletch's current endurance building program (see the gutless QR) doesn't appear to be anything to write home about…

NTamm1215 11-15-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 723621)
They're callin Pletch a "robot" over at TC

Pretty funny actually


Anyway, better hope this young beast can pull some stamina from that pedigree bottom … cuz Pletch's current endurance building program (see the gutless QR) doesn't appear to be anything to write home about…

Yeah, you're right, he's only won a Belmont and a Kentucky Derby from the last 12 Triple Crown races. Throw in a BC Turf during that time period and he obviously has no idea how to train horses for distance races.

Indian Charlie 11-15-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 723621)
They're callin Pletch a "robot" over at TC

Pretty funny actually


Anyway, better hope this young beast can pull some stamina from that pedigree bottom … cuz Pletch's current endurance building program (see the gutless QR) doesn't appear to be anything to write home about…

They're callin you an imbecilic moron at DT.

Pretty true actually

Is Pletch's endurance building program the same one that brought us Rags to Riches a few years ago?

Duvalier 11-15-2010 03:20 PM

I think Pletcher needs more horses

Indian Charlie 11-15-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 723632)
Yeah, you're right, he's only won a Belmont and a Kentucky Derby from the last 12 Triple Crown races. Throw in a BC Turf during that time period and he obviously has no idea how to train horses for distance races.

If someone started a poll of the most idiotic DT poster, who would you vote for, and who do you think would win?

I'm guessing RHT and Smoothness would win, but RHT wouldn't even belong in the top five lately.

NTamm1215 11-15-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 723641)
If someone started a poll of the most idiotic DT poster, who would you vote for, and who do you think would win?

I'm guessing RHT and Smoothness would win, but RHT wouldn't even belong in the top five lately.

Smooth Operator's posts pertaining to Zenyatta make RHT look like Steven Crist.

Indian Charlie 11-15-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 723645)
Smooth Operator's posts pertaining to Zenyatta make RHT look like Steven Crist.

Does he post to anything not involving Z?

VOL JACK 11-15-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 723528)
Probably - but that analogy doesn't work because they ran in two seperate races with different paces.

Uncle Mo would have obviously been a pace casualty in the BC Classic.

Quality Road did very little running at all - sure, he might have beat Life At Ten, but that's it.

If Blame and Zenyatta had been inserted into the BC Juvie - with that easy pace in relation to the one in the Classic - Uncle Mo is still going to run his same race. Those two closers aren't going to make him slower.

C'mon DrugS..
You are smart enough to know Blame and Z would have steam rolled Mo at any distance.
No matter of the pace!!

Indian Charlie 11-15-2010 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 723668)
C'mon DrugS..
You are smart enough to know Blame and Z would have steam rolled Mo at any distance.
No matter of the pace!!

That is just utterly ridiculous.

NTamm1215 11-15-2010 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 723657)
Does he post to anything not involving Z?

As of 10 minutes ago he posts no more on DT.

Indian Charlie 11-15-2010 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 723675)
As of 10 minutes ago he posts no more on DT.

I know!!!

That just saved me a ton of work trying to compile a list of the most inane and ridiculous posters here for a poll!!

Thanks Byk!

I think everyone owes me thanks too, for my unswerving dedication to keep Smoothie on the path to self-immolation!!!

Look out hot chicks of LA (especially the USC cheerleaders), His Smoothness is on the loose!

Clip-Clop 11-15-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 723441)
Dude, QR ran dead last by 30 lengths last week. Clearly he's not the same horse he was in the beginning of the year.

I never suggested that Mo would have beaten QR if QR had run in the Juvy either.

Again, QR ran dead last by 30 lengths. Something is obviously amiss with him.

Probably would have to be neck and neck since JR would be on both. This is of course in reference to nobody understanding hypothetical.

Antitrust32 11-15-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 723657)
Does he post to anything not involving Z?

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