political correctness has ruined enough in this country already. Lets try to keep baseball from joining the crowd.

A suspension? For what? He was awarded 1st base before the trainer came out, etc. This stuff happens all of the time.

Anyone watch basketball? Are we going to start suspending people for flopping? How about when a reciever in football pretends they were interfered with in an attempt to get a pass interference. This happens in all sports.

The players job is to win. The officials job is to enforce the rules. This was more or less a missed call by the ump. Not cheating IMO.

it doesn't happen all the time. and no, i don't watch basketball. if hockey, which most say is 'anything goes' has a rule against faking crap like that, why wouldn't baseball or football? you play to win the game, not play-act. i thought it was ridiculous, that behavior like that should be considered beneath a pro. but, i guess i'm all wrong about anything regarding these 'professionals' and 'men' and their poor behavior.

Yes, this kind of thing does happen all of the time. How often does a 2nd baseman or shortstop actually touch 2nd base when turning a double play? Half of the time maybe. Is that cheating?

When a guy traps a ball trying to make a diving catch and comes up like he caught it....is he cheating?

When a catcher frames a ball to make it look like a strike...is he cheating? If we start suspending people for this stuff no one will be playing because they will all be suspended.

I think people are making a way bigger deal out of this because it's the Yankees and Jeter. And like I said, I say this as someone that doesn't really care for either.

He acted like he got hit smack dead on the hand. It's not like he just let the umpires do their job, and they blew it. He cried out in pain like a lil bitch. This amount of subterfuge should be looked down upon. None of your other baseball examples have this important factor involved. Why would you bring soccer into this. You don't like it.

i don't know how often it happens, i don't watch much baseball.

as for the play-it is blatantly obvious that jeter was faking. that would draw a 'dive' call in hockey. they don't call that unless they know for sure the guy is faking.
i'm not a fan of any team-and frankly i'm surprised that it's jeter involved. i thought he was considered one of the 'good guys'. in my case, it's got nothing to do with the team he's on, i'm not a fan of any of them.

thing is, altho many are saying 'hit the guy next time out', i find that distasteful. i don't believe that pitchers should be trying to hit these guys-how is that acceptable? again, back to hockey-they don't let these guys just hook each other and go at it. they sit for that, get fined, suspended..or in chris simons case, you go overseas to play as no one in north america will touch you. or mcsorly, charged with assault...

Zig, Jeter should be sent a message by the league. You attacked the integrity of the sport. Get some better morals. Find some sportsmanship. Win the right way. Don't go that far out of your way to deceive our umpires. He crossed the line here. It should surprise nobody that this is the organization caught doing this crap. He thinks it's funny. I'm sure the Wallstreet guys think it's funny that they ripped the nation off, too.

Answer a question for me. If Jeter had really gotten hit and the ump thought it hit the bat first, does the catcher have an obligation to correct the ump if he knew the truth? Would the catcher need a message sent to him by the league?

No. What you're not picking up on is the level of deception involved here. It's one thing to keep your mouth shut. It's another thing to act really badly hurt (when you're not even hit by a ball.) All these examples mentioned are mainly people playing the game, and accepting the results of the umps. That's not what took place here. Jeter went to Broadway in front of a National Audience. Hour and a half later, he admitted that the ball never even hit him. Admitted he had put on a deceitful display in order to try to win the wrong way.

Hard to answer a simple question huh? Everything I have mentioned is deception. When you dive for a ball and trap it, yet come up and pretend you caught it, it's deception. A catcher framing a ball to make it look like a strike is deception.

The whole what to do, is about the way Jeter acted like he was hit. You are talking about a guy that is treated like he some sort of holy figure. The guy can't do anything wrong. Hell, I have never even seen him argue with an ump.
But there is nothing wrong with taking the base if the ump gives it to you (really what are you supposed to do?). It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts. Basically Mr. Rightous who can do nothing wrong pulled a fast one and shocked everyone who thought he was above stuff like that. But then again if you were in the slump that he's been in, you might be throwing yourself at fastballs thrown down the middle of the plate.

No. It's not the same level of deception as having the trainer come out to deal with your damaged hand.

A-ZATLY

The trainer came out because he thought he was hurt. What did you want Jeter to do? Push him away? Deception is deception.

If Furcal did it, you'd be praising him.

:pLOL......Trainer came out, cuz he's acting like he busted his hand. No, FURCAL wouldn't do it for this club.. Don't have to worry about that. They get awfully timid when they join this organization. This organization has become the opposite of win at all costs. Look at Hershaw. She's brilliant when the season's a total loss. When the chips are on the table, she was no match for Oswalt, and the Phils. Owner has always seemed more interested in Cancer Charities than winning. I guess I can't be surprised that they're wimps.

Beyond idiotic.. idiotic lost by 30 lengths

Wouldn't be a problem if they just go to video n'check it, but no. We got to have this stupid bullshyt going on. Look at tennis. They get a certain amount of calls they check each match. No, we got to have people getting stuff they don't deserve. Really don't understand how all these bad calls make the game better. Makes it more of a joke. That's why Jeter was laughing. It's a fkn joke.

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that's the thing-the ump didn't just say take your base. jeter put on quite an act. i think that's what has people in an uproar. a dive for sure. it wasn't just an error on the umps part, jeter acted hit, acted hurt-he ought to be ashamed. just think if the yanks had won off of that lie.

exactly.

and fucl< the Yankees

pretty much :p

its its okay we still love ya Zig.

Ziggy come on!! grow a pair! This is baseball, not mens figure skating!

It was an error on the umpires part. Jeter didn't obscure the umps vision and there are 3 other umps on the field that can be consulted with. Not to mention that it sounded like the ball hit wood, not a person. The umps blew it, period. The "people are in an uproar" will soon go back to ignoring baseball unless there is something to hate on. I prefer to call out a guy for cheating when he actually breaks a rule.

We now live in a world where the best basketball player is hated because he has a large ego, one of the top football players is disliked because he does a lot of commercials and now one of the best baseball players is disliked because he tricked an umpire? And this is progress....

I think the people are in an uproar more because of who did it, than the actual act itself. Like I said before, the guy who did it has been a put on a pedestal his whole career for the way he plays the game (almost to a holy level) and now he overacted his way onto first base. If it was anybody else (maybe except A-Rod), this would have been a non story that would have been forgotten now. But since it was a guy who has been a boyscout his whole career, the thing has been blown way out of proportion.
Bottom line, it was just another blown/bad call but the umps.

Listen to that sound. If they couldn't get that right, then that's it. Time to have each manager get a certain limited number of reviews each game. Let them get away with butchering balls n' strikes. Everything else should be reviewable. Whether a pitch hit the bat (or the batter) should be reviewable. Whether somebody went around (or not) can be kept botch-friendly (for the purists.)

I really believe that this isn't the usual scenario. They got this call wrong based on the Oscar winning performance of Captain America. They must have figured if he's riving in pain, then he must have got hit. Anybody else in the league probably wouldn't have gotten the benifit of the doubt that Jeter did.
But the bottom line is that it was another botched call by the umpires. You would think another form of replay is going to be introduced somewhere in the near future.

i'd watch skating if they let them have a check thrown once in a while.

i don't watch baseball, it's boring. and i absolutely refuse to grow a pair. :D

not sure what ball player you're talking about-if it's ocho, i defend him all the time. i think he has talent and backs it up.
sorry, i think if the ump called it wrong, you'd be right about it, and i wouldn't be fussing about it. but the b movie acting by jeter was over the top.

Payton Manning, I have never seen Ochocinco do a commercial.

If you can trick an umpire into giving you a base at that point of a game under those circumstances I think any player doing it would be doing the right thing. Like he said it is his job to get on base which he did. How the ump didnt hear the ball hit the bat or take into consideration how far the ball traveled after supposedly hitting Jeter is beyond me. There are three other umps who are supposed to be watching the play and they all missed it too. This moral bs that Scus is preaching is a load of crap. Jeter is trying to win games, he gets paid a lot of money to do so. He didn't break or even bend a rule. No one got hurt, really.

you must love soccer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioyt2zzm530

i heard cal ripkens take on this....he said he felt the excessive acting on jeter's part was ridiculous. that it was an interesting thing to discuss.

Thats because Ripkens only claim to fame is that he played 2632 games in a row. He was an average player that accomplished very little except the streak which is by far the most meaningless record ever. He couldn't hold a candle to Jeter's accomplishments.