Not soon enough Justin!

Mine that Bird didn't look all that wonderful either on paper... Its racing S:zz:hit happens

Kinda happy for Ghostzapper. He just got his first G1 winner. First graded winner too right?

See S:zz:hit happens on dirt too and it sucks since I bet 200 on Super Saver.

A number of us have been questioning this for the last couple weeks. When you need 3rd place and above earnings to run a horse coming off a dirt stakes win in the Kentucky Derby, should you experiment with running him first time on synthetic against proven synthetic and turf horses.

You do if you think you are the smartest man in the world. First choice was to rest him until the derby. Those are two very odd choices. I guess my future ticket at 125-1 is a toss.

It just makes no sense.........I think the horse is very talented and I'm sorry that he won't make the Derby, but they should be penalized for making a stupid decision.

Agree

Figures
 

I played a P4 at Keeneland

3,5 / All / 5,6,8 / 5

Just shoot me now...

ouch

You wouldn't feel bad if you knew what I did.

Trust me, it is worse then just that ticket. That is just a taste.

The horse that won the allowance turf race will go down in history with the greatest trip since the earth was created.

Maybe people will start understanding what Nick Zito has been saying all along.If I had a derby horse,I wouldn't include a Keeneland race in my plans.

lately you could say the same thing about the Wood.
Its only been three years on the synthetic at Keeneland, and it has produced one derby winner in Street Sense.

To my eye, there was nothing flukey looking about Stately Victor. I'm going to give him a long look in three weeks.

Good for you.

I have given up on Keeneland's main track. I only stick to the turf now.

On another note, it was an absolutely gorgeous day. The wife and myself had a great time. That place was absolutely packed.

Im sure it was something pathetic, your lost without Kensei.
I know all about it.

Together Indy adds his name to the long list of NJ Breds to win graded stakes.

Gators N Bears
Nistle's Crunch
Wild Gams
Together Indy...


...and that's all I could find.

Open Mind.

i'm with you. like i said in another thread , that poly track is like betting finger lakes. yes, freaky things happen on dirt but not like it does on that rat trap track. lets see how this horse runs (stately victor) in three weeks. i may be wrong but my prediction is yet another blue grass winner that pulls up the rear. what used to be a great dirt track is now an absolute joke. zito is right, why prep there, unless you don't need the money and its just a training move ala street sense. if you are seriously trying to win that race as a foundation for the derby as a trainer you would be out of your mind to go there. the entries each year increasingly prove this. that was the crappiest field i can remember for the race. the favorites were interactif (grass horse) and paddy o prado(another grade 3 grass). oh yeah, a stellar edition for 750,000.....lol. once again, i'm kicking myself for even attempting to bet that garbage yesterday. it was the first main track bet i made there since the meet opened!

Gotta love the whiners that complain to high heaven about poly but bet it anyway..

Hey, simple things for simple people. The Arkansas Derby, with it's 1-2-3 around the track result, and the winner coming again after getting passed in the lane, is right up their alley. Now, that's good/fair/predictable racing. :rolleyes:

In fact, all racing should really be like the AQU INNER track.

Hes a crow.

hes fully extended. Amazing that he gets anything at all. He will be a zero factor in L'ville. finish last 17-18-19-20th.

Yes you are wrong. You usually are wrong. It wouldnt matter where that horse was hes not passing anything.

If the jockey rides him the right way yesterday he is a winner.

Wouldnt matter how the jockey rides him. Hes fully extended

Your wrong... Your calling a Grade 1 winner a crow. Multiple wins at the best meet in the country. His comeback race this year is the way he needs to be ridden. TT looked like he was going to **** his pants, at any point he could have tucked in behind the top 2, but instead he presses wide the entire trip. You dont win races that way.

Good horse with no limitation runs right by those. He was ridden like the best horse in the race. He was the best horse in that race to a mile. Past a mile forget about this horse being a factor with anything regardless of the ride he gets.

Drugs knows what hes looking at. I can't imagine him thinking a good horse doesn't pass if there is no limitation. He was ridden like the best horse in the race. Thompson's ride had nothing to do with him not winning that race. He gave him a fine trip, and a fine ride

Drug's has a more valid opinion than you do. You throw 200 darts and hope one sticks. Drugs makes a stand on a horse and gives his reasons for liking or disliking whether I agree or not. Anybody can respect a substatiated opinion from somebody whos well studied and has a clue.

You make unsubstatiated opinons on horses, trainers, and then outright call a guy a crook that you have never dealt with in any capacity. Who would think anything you say has validity.

The problem is that there are very, very few 'good horses with no limitations'. What do you think this is Zenyatta? The fact of the matter is that nothing was winning off the pace in that race. They went 1-2-3 around the track and nothing passed in the lane (at least nothing that passed stayed ahead). If Dublin sits a perfect drafting trip and comes out very late, after Super Saver bids, he wins the race. But there's no jock (other than Dominguez) that rides that way on dirt (unless forced to as a result of trouble).

I think that Dublin got it bad in the race and Noble's Promise got it even worse, as he was squeezed at the break and checked bad on the 1st turn, losing even more position/ground. He was then forced to run in the middle of the race to catch up.

I don't know about anyone else but I tend to give horses another chance, or, at least, I don't consider them plugs, when they're forced to run against the grain, since so few actually do so.

I agree with most of this, but he has done this the last few times. He seems like a horse that's good enough to just miss. Will his price be big enough in the Derby to hope he finally gets the perfectly timed trip?

TFM

He was certainly put into a drive early enough to get to those horses. He just looks flat late to me. Even if TT drafted and came out I do not think he runs past them. Not because of the track, not because those other 2 are good horses, I just think hes beyond his scope. He just doesn't punch on at all.

He will be a total non factor in the Derby.

Absolutely priceless! Bravo Bid!

So there's no misunderstanding, he's definitely a horse that needs help to get to the wire 1st. I can make an 'excuse' for him yesterday but the fact remains that if he has to do a good portion of the running in the race, he's just not getting it done. He needs an 'escort'. He's already demonstrated that he can't run against the grain (to this point). And, like you, I prefer to bet on those horses that have shown the ability to do so.

Of course, in the Derby, there are numerous cases of horses just like him that ended up getting the perfect setup -- and this is what DrugS is probably getting at.