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If you look at his other two big fillies .. Life Is Sweet didn't win a stakes race in her time with Bill Mott and instantly became better for Shirreffs. Zardana only had one top three finish in 7 tries for Ron McAnally. With Shirreffs, she's won 4 of 9 starts and has certainly improved. I realize that while both Bill Mott and Ron McAnally are in the Hall of Fame .. no one who pays any real attention to racing can argue that they're in Shirreffs leauge and still keep a straight face. |
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She's not obligated to do anything right now. She ran in the Breeders Cup Classic against Gio Ponti and that 3rd place finisher from Europe that struggled with the turn and got the giant sheet number in the race. Rachel Alexandra's connections have ducked her ... ON DIRT .. not the other way around. If Rachel Alexandra wants to face her before the BC ... let her come out to California and run 10 furlongs on synthetic... she'll embaress herself doing that. |
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Why is it that what's obvious to the connections is far from for all of RA's (speed influenced) supporters? Say they pump her up and decide to go in the AB. And, Sheriffs sends Z, along with 3rd string Z. The latter shadows RA and moves when she does. 3rd string Z has shown she can really kick it when asked and it's doubtful RA could handle her (alone). And while these two go at it for a bit, Big Z zooms by with wipeout #12.They'd put such a beating on RA, that they'd have to take her HOTY award back.:rolleyes: Assmussen knows this; Jackson knows this. Dirt/speed freaks just don't. |
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Fat Man - horses are animals not machines , when you make them do things (accelerated training programs) they don't want to do they will reject you and not want to participate pushing ra for an april 9th race against team sheriffs is going to prove what?? we have an animal that was out from early sept to late jan , we have an animal that hasn't missed a beat since oct - it's a simple fact that Z will have more foundartion in her on april 9th assmussen needs to get some long works into her , get her some foundation , and then get her back into racing by the summer - she had a tough campaign last year and by not showing up until the summer she will be following the same path as Z took the year before after her tough campaing on '08 when she didn't show up until May |
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Give me a scenario where RA handles both Z's in a race. Because this is what most likely will happen. (The owner of Zardana will certainly not want to back down.) There isn't one. This is obvious to her connections. They've conceded, Bro. |
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I guess it doesn't help any when the trainer you have in your corner to get you back ready from that layoff is Steve Asmussen. That's certainly what the stats were saying. |
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again you are deflecting away from the most basic part of the equation here the horse cannot simply be ready for the race on april 9th you know it , and you come on here and play hide and go seek why don't you talk about the sinster plot that the connections of Z did and retire her ??? now jackson look like the bad guy cuse he's backing out. let me guess she kept training after the classic because the moss family was going to bring her to prospect park and challenege you to a race on your bike in the spring once the snow melted and you worked off the "fat":D :D |
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would sheriffs run Z against RA if the roles were reversed ??? take a long hard time to answer the question , i think the answer is fairly simple |
What is Jay Hovdey's deal anyway? Can the guy be any more pro-Zenyatta? Has Moss promised him a breeding or something?
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There was no sinister " retirement " plot--what are you a fooking conspiracist ??? Moss wants run against Rachel, but NOBODY wants Rachel to run when she is not ready . The question is--what is ready ??? And when ???? She should have benefitted from her prep race, and whether she accepted running in the AB or not, should be training for something, not going backwards . The OUTCOME of this prep for Rachel was the determining factor--not fitness, not equipment, simply the outcome. Had she won by 11--as is suggested had Zardana passed, the AB would be on, and it would not be a fair race for Rachel . Keeping a horse on top of their game is an obvious goal . Preserving wins is also, but has the downside of being critiqued as avoiding hard competion . This has been said about Zenyatta, and at times I do agree ... It has never been said about Rachel, but it needs to said now . |
Zenyatta is the most consistent all time Polycrap performer. That's all you can say. She ran once on dirt and it was a solid effort. This year she can prove a lot more. Let me see her beat older males at Toga or CD before annointing Shirreffs Pope.
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Putting myself as the decision maker in Jess Jackson's camp ... I might have done exactly what he did after the FG race .. but only with the intent of lying to the public and going forward with preperations to make the race. The reasons for doing so would be two fold ... 1.) I'm not sure Shirreffs will have Zenyatta as cranked up for a 500K race as a 1/9 favorite as he might for a $5 million race for the title of Female wonder horse. Shirreffs is one of about only a single trainer ever to train who I think really can crank one up for a main objective. 2.) I think Zardana is certain to go in the race if RA does .. but very likely won't if Zenyatta does. If you enter RA at the last possible second - you might be able to keep Zardana away. An added bonus. People aren't going to care that you lied in a press statement .. they just want to see the race and they'll assume RA is training well and you've merely changed your mind. That won't happen. Minds don't come as twisted as mine. |
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matt it has nothing to do with winning or losing the prep if zenyatta did not train from early sept to late jan , then started breezing in late jan ,then had the hard race last sat to point for a race in april (the AB)and RA say won a bc race and didn't miss a beat since oct do you really believe that moss/sheriffs would really want to take her on ...... think about it hard and long , remember these are animals , these are not machines , if you have never been on the backside with these animals i know it's hard to imagine becuase when we watch them race they look like machines with a key and gas pedal attached to them , it's not that simple |
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Zenyatta was retired simply put , retired ......how many race horse that you know that retire and continue not to miss a beat ? this was the biggest con of the whole story , yet if you read the reports in the media it's all the RA camps fault |
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I do agree with you as far as the conditioning goes and have stated that I personally think that Rachaels camp would have scratched out of the AB even if she dug in and held on to win on Saturday. |
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Zenyatta was retired that is a fact , don't confuse the folks here with anything else , she was retired and then un-retired |
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Geez, so it's Z and her connections who are to blame for RA's defeat on Saturday and consequently, missing the AB. I am totally amazed this thinking that connections of another horse has so much influence on RA and what her connections choose for her. A few days after 01/16th, when Mr. Moss announced Z would run in 2010, her first two tentative races were announced. In JANUARY. Mr. Cella and the media undertook trying to get the two mares together at that point, since both had raced there, dirt, etc. JJ/SA initially said RA would not be ready. Should have stayed with that instead of playing a PR game that backfired. I am sorry that RA lost, but it's not about her loss for me. It is how she looked. I hope her connections can get things headed in the right direction. However, this blame crap because she lost is beyond ridiculous. Take it up with JJ or dial him up and leave him a message. He's who some of you need to talk to. His name is on RA's papers, not Jerry Moss nor John Shirreffs. |
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She is only the sole horse to blame for this horse not winning a Grade 1 stakes race ...  I am a big fan of history ... and would have loved to see a horse who was 4th or worse in 6 races in a row - and 10 out of the last 11 win a Grade 1. I have no problem that her connections "retired" her but kept her in full training. Strategic misdirection of the populace for a greater good. I'd have done the same. It seems to bother Gales though. |
I know what her prior record is but I thought Dance to My Tune ran HUGE last saturday, she was kinda unlucky to lose.
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If McPeak had run My Baby Baby ... she probably would have beat Dance to My Tune very soundly. |
Baffert is a horse prodigy type of person. He can see and smell a good and bad horse from a mile away. He likes to eye up the competion in the morning, besides his own horse flesh. He reminds me of a well trained circus animal.
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When you're trying to protect a flawless record ... the interesting spots are back home against Misremembered and Jeranimo at 10fs on synthetic in a pair of races you ducked last year.
They aren't in Chicago - against males - on a surface you haven't tried (but will probably love) - in a race that might feature true Grade 1 caliber males. |
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Folks are already confused--fans and writers alike ... Don't drag up that " unretired " stuff again Mr Original ... Some of us knew she was never retired, and that an emotional outburst was interpreted as such by the press after the BCC . Shove your cut and pastes--Moss' words after the BCC were " what more can she do ? " I don't care what was said after the fact--the mare dictated what was the future here . And it had NOTHING to do with what I posted whatsoever . You are free to have your own interpretations and opinions, but do not shove them down my throat as fact, ad nauseum--they are not ... |
I assume Neko Bay will also move to dirt and run in the Oaklawn Park Handicap?
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there is no blame on the loss, she got beat fair and square what the story doesn't tell is that if SA had total control the "accelerated" training program would not have happened and she wouldn't have been pushed too hard too early to make the race , i'm glad she lost because now JJ could at least be talked into saving her for later in the year once the trainer gets to do his job the correct way (assuming she is not hurt) if Z didn't retire maybe they would have brought her back earlier than late Jan and her training would have been much much further along so as to be able to make a matchup race in early spring |
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Please--not this again---PRESS SAID THIS... If you buy all the press says have done with it--I know I am . And even it it were true-Jackson and Asmussen are big boys not to be coerced by the alleged second best horse " resuming " training.. I did this here already---redundancy is just that . Neither Moss nor Shireffs were clear about this, but the press was ... Finis ... |
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What if Quality Road was healthy ALL last year?
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“It was very emotional when I retired her because I thought she absolutely did as much as any horse could do in their career,” Moss said of Zenyatta, who is unbeaten in 14 races. Emphasis mine. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/sp...7zenyatta.html |
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They had her paraded in between stakes races .... They renamed a stakes race named after Lady's Secret after her ... It wasn't till Mid January when she was offically unretired. I think it's great that they brought her back. Obviously she was never retired ... so who were they trying to fool? By they, I mean the press of course. |
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You really are twisted. |
This is what happens when the 3rd stringer in a barn beats the reigning HOY (and SPEED disciple darling). All the followers are left with is making a stink about whether Z was 'officially' retired or not. Who gives a ****? Z's caddy just dusted the HOY --- basically gutted her --- so much so that her connections have thrown in the towel. They don't want their FAST HOY to get roughed up any more. :rolleyes: I can dig that. The 2 Z's in tandem would put such a beating on the FAST HOY that she'd never want to come out of her stall again.
Yeah, all the rest of this **** is peripheral --- the real issue is whether or not Z was 'officially' retired. |
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