I say Join in the Dance is last just due to fact he will go out fast then die even faster. These horses are gonna be flying by him but at least it adds speed to the race

JV's now on Mr Hot Stuff

It gets him ever closer to tying Woody's Belmont mark.

Do you think Churchill should promote this?

That's a hell of a coupled entry for last place.

Have they decided which stud farm he will be standing at yet?

Maybe Jack Wolf.

Take out one of the top 2 favorites and it won't?

If they didn't withdraw, and intended to run Saturday, and people went ahead and bet him knowing all that has gone on since the minute he stepped into the winners circle at the FLA Derby....then they deserve to have their money taken and served a cold dose of injustice. That's the beauty of parimutuel wagering, you can win foolish/uninformed people's money.

http://www.audiosparx.com/sa/play/po...und_iid.140576

Gotham in mourning.

Yep, I was just musing would there be some last minute jockeying(how about that a pun). I cited this happening in a past derby, can't remember the jock or horse though.

Reason #172 why people don't care about racing. On days like the Derby and the BC, there are a good number of new fans that are coming to the track or watching for the first time. Sure, we as hardcore fans, ones that read the DRF and Bloodhorse and frequent messege boards, we know what's been going on with Quality Road. But can you really expect all of those new fans to know? They really deserve to have their money taken?

If you buy a stock of a company that is trading at $2 that has already announced they are going bankrupt in a month (i.e. GM), therefore rendering the equity completely worthless, because someone told you to, do you deserve to lose your money?

This whole " new fan " thing really confuses me. Are you suggesting that the people who are rolling into the track on Derby Day for their annual one day appearance are new fans?

" Their money taken? " What does that mean? Are you saying because they make infrequent appearances they should somehow be subsidized? Should they get their money back on losing bets because they don't frequent message boards or read Bloodhorse? Should investors who recently lost in the market get a refund if they dont read the Wall Street Journal?

If you are interested in this game to care enough to learn, you would know what is going on with a Quality Road. If you don't, you don't care, and are there to have a good time. If you cash a bet here or there, that's great, but you won't feel cheated because you didn't know that a horse had some physical issue you couldn't define anyway. And, frankly, if you are serious enough to be upset you didn't know this, you are reasonably likely to learn so as to understand the situation the next time it arises.

If you are putting your money into anything, I would suppose that due dilligence would be in order. In that light, I understand your analogy. However, if they announced that they are going bankrupt, you know for sure that the stock is worthless. It's not a maybe/maybe not situation. In racing, you'd like to assume that what they said was true, that if he wasn't 100%, they wouldn't run him. So you'd hope that him being in the race would be a sign that he's 100%. Now, of course that is no guarantee that he'd win the race. You know going in that it's a gamble. The situation you described isn't a gamble. It's one with a known outcome.

You had it right before you continued on. The more due dilligence you do, the better chance you have to win. If some schmuck goes in there on the biggest day of the year, in which ALL information is known, and didn't know say Quality Road was running with a bar shoe when it was plastered all over the newspapers, I plan on taking their money. End of story.

I don't play the stock market. But if, before I invest in a company, I read that they will be bankrupt, I know what bankrupt means. If before I bet on the Derby, I read that Quality Road is running in a bar shoe, and it's my first time at the track, I doubt that I know what a bar shoe is or what it means to how he'll perform.

And if you have ANY interest whatsoever you learn. Those are the people that MIGHT have a chance to become fans. Those that weren't interested in learning were never becoming fans.

folks going to the derby this wknd for the most part won't become fans. they'e going to a happening, not a horse race.

if anyone wants to make new fans, take your friends or aquaintances to the track. teach them. or your kids, like i have.

C'mon KG, you make it sound like there should be a coloring book provided to everyone that walks in the door explaining what to do when a horse poops in the post parade. If you heard he had a bar shoe and didn't know what that meant, couldn't you just ask someone? Or pull out your Blackberry or Iphone and google it? We live in an age of information, if someone is too lazy to take it upon themself and learn they deserve to lose.

exactly... I dont see what the issue is.

maybe KG wants to socialize gambling??

They should only care if the track has been certified by the NTRA!!:D
I bet none of them would even know what that means.

so what? what is the issue here??

If someone new to poker sits down at my table and doesnt know a full house beats a straight... am I supposed to explain??

and the new folks who dont know that QR has a quarter crack.. well they dont care anyway. They know Baffert. They know cute names. They know colorful silks.. thats all they care about and unfortunatly they get beginners luck and still win by betting silks.

I'm sure if he had run, then the press and the talking heads would have been making the issue of his problems with two feet known to all...even to the most novice of attendees

It's already Socialized. You see anybody in this country competing for the price they're gunna give you on a horse?

I agree with you for regular players,they should pay attention however on derby day you have thousands of people who bet the tip sheets and hype horses, for that one day. it's our premier race of the year and i feel no horse that's not 100% should run.

You said, "This will hurt the pool, the trickle down effect will be huge."

I'm not sure how a relatively high priced major contender scratching could possibly "hurt" the pool unless for some reason you think a very significant portion of people are going to pass on the race just because Quality Road is out? Is that what you're saying?

I understand what you are saying now, what I mean't was it would significantly lower the odds on other horses in the race. Most notably the horses that were 3rd and 4th in betting and on down. Regardless of his chances he was an attractive bet to many, he would have taken alot of money in this race, now that money is going to be dispersed elsewhere.

Fair enough. . . I wouldn't define this as "hurting the pool." You could certainly argue that it hurt value on other contenders if you were planning on playing against QR, though, obviously. . .

Doubtful for the Belmont, sore in the right fore and popped an abscess:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/103635.html