Ok, I got it.

You're doing this to get a rise of me and Bob and Riot. It can only be that, because I've hung out with you too many times, and know that you're way too smart to be doing this cherry-picking and actually mean it.

Obviously, not a single one of your quotes has come from the report itself, which says plenty. The report is a big picture item, and you're taking opinions of single sentences which completely contradict the actual purpose of the report so you can do this veterans high horse routine.

No to the contrary, 'the report' is just one example of the 'loathing of the military' policy started by Clinton. Al Gore tried to throw out absentee ballots cast by active, deployed military personal and now Obama and Co are actually investigating them.

Ok, so you're saying you obviously haven't read the report.

Got it.

There is no other way one could be so incredibly intellectually dishonest about this.

Unless, of course, your name was Michelle Malkin...and then at least you'd be getting paid for doing so.

some more mindless blather in the politics section, no wonder i love sports and horse racing and laugh at politics and religion. God loves america, so does the easter bunny and santa clause. and if we sing some stupid song, wave a flag and wear a pin he blesses us! wow, that makes perfect sense, should i put out cookies and milk too. then this clown takes advantage of this nonsense when hes in the stadium and sh!tfaced. God must be impressed with all of this brain power....lol. maybe if some of you guys sing God bless america you'll cash more tickets...try that one...lol

ok let me quote from the report

"DHS/I&A assesses that the combination of environmental factors that echo
the 1990s, including heightened interest in legislation for tighter firearms restrictions and returning military veterans, as well as several new trends, including an uncertain economy and a perceived rising influence of other countries, may be invigorating rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements. To the extent that these factors persist, rightwing extremism is likely to grow in strength."

"After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military
veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing
extremist groups."

Just a wee bit of stereotyping?

At least Obama is consistent with the Clinton policy of 'loathing the military' and showed it when snubbing Medal of Honor recipients inauguration night.

Ha - I have a challenge for you: explain Rep. Michele Bachmann :eek:

Insightful, strange you capitilized God and not America?

thats because i fear and respect God. when i see how people think its becomes really hard to respect some stupid country. the keyword being stupid and i'm quite sure God feels the same way.

When the conclusion doesn't fit, check the premise.

Strange that those who are so "offended" by the realistic report are the same ones who generally don't have any problem at all with racial profiling. Profiling Muslims? Awesome. Profiling trouble-making extremist right-wing groups and learning what types of people they're going to go after and keeping an eye on them to minimize threat potential? Terrible. Offensive. EGAD!

Hell, Malkin (who's leading the charge on being so outraged by this) has written an entire freaking book dedicated to explaining why internment camps were awesome.

This is typical, just like spending complaints. Eight years of out of control spending under Bush? Suh-WEEEEET! Two months of out of control spending to try to stimulate an economy under Obama? Terrible. Offensive. EGAD! TEABAG NOW!

Selective, mostly manufactured, outrage would be hilarious if it weren't so goddamn annoying.

So your message basicaly boils down to it's good when we do it, bad when you do. Got it loud and clear, at least it's simple and concise.

Weak sauce Dell.

The report most obviously doesn't come remotely close to calling returning American veterans terrorists.

Thanks for posting that, Dell ;)

"Stereotyping" ? You mean, like where the report calls all good gun-owning Americans terrorists? :rolleyes:

Obama "loathing the military" - yet he just helped them out incredibly with the new veteran medical records legislation just passed. Can't believe our President put veterans on the top of his priority list just after his election, the evil Muslim Fascist.

[quote=brianwspencer]
This is typical, just like spending complaints. Eight years of out of control spending under Bush? Suh-WEEEEET! Two months of out of control spending to try to stimulate an economy under Obama? Terrible. Offensive. EGAD! TEABAG NOW!QUOTE]

Little bit of a difference in the amount of spending though huh?

And if you thought Bush was out of control, compare numbers and realize Obama is like a skid row drunk who happened to find an American Express black card and wants to get as much as he can off of it before it gets shut off. Leftys were concerned about who paid for Nancy Reagan's gown just a short time ago and now not a peep about Slick Willie getting a $300 haircut while holding up flights at LAX or Michele O's personal makeup artist. :zz:

Tax dollars do not pay for Michele O's personal makeup artist. Tax dollars do not pay for a President's food, either. Some State parties - yes. Gifts to heads of state - no. Daily eating, clothes, etc - nope.

Point being, if you guys are all $hitting in your pants to condemn wild, irresponsible spending, you either condemn it across the board (when it's happening...not this "oh yea, well in retrospect Bush sucked too." That doesn't count. It's a pathetic attempt to establish credibility....where were you for 8 years?) or you keep your mouth shut. Those are the two honest options.

Or, as the 2009 Right M.O. goes, you just complain about Obama and get your panties all in a twitch when people rightfully call you out as a hypocrite.

At the very least it's making my life easy, because it's not even taking much intellectual engagement to be able to see through all of it and dismiss it, because you aren't even bothering to take the time to craft semi-coherent, logical arguments. And by "you," I mean nearly all of the Right, not just you personally. So depending on your POV, your intellectual laziness at least lets you keep some good company.

Now let's stop arguing and get back to the important stuff -- fancy haircuts and how all our vets are about to turn into suicide bombers!!!!!

So I take bitching about 8 years of uncontrollable spending, in your words, and now witnessing Obama take the deficit from 400 billion to 1,750 billion in one year, in support is not hypocritical? or can't dems be hypocritical a la black racists.

Not in this case, because YOU weren't bitching about uncontrollable spending for 8 years...unless of course I missed that consistent POV coming from you around here.

I frankly don't care a whole lot...and wasn't bitching about Bush's spending when it was happening the same way I'm not bitching about Obama's.

I only do it now when you guys want to all of the sudden start holding people to a standard you just seem to have found three months ago. Your hypocrisy and transparency isn't all that much my personal problem to fix. I'm at least consistent.

OK let me try and understand this thought process. A $400 deficit for a day of betting is equally as bad as a $1,750 deficit? If you don't bitch about losing $400 you can't bitch about $1,750? Is that democratic math?

You seem to be trying to prove that 1,750 is more than 400, and yes, I certainly agree with you. Numbers are a strong spot for me, so hopefully we can agree on that.

Your analogy to wagering only halfway works though.

Of course losing $1,750 is worse than $400. But if your budget for each day was $125 and you went ape$hit out of control then yes, it makes no sense to be only upset about having gone MORE out of control. You're either for going overboard or against it (your type is good with those 'for or against' only dichotomies, right?). You don't get to be okay with going totally overboard and being irresponsible but then be completely against going MORE overboard than that. They're either both wrong or they're both not, and you expose yourself as a hack when only one makes you mad based on the degree and who is doing it.

so do you think Bush should have spent more or Obama less?

To me, spending is up to the administration and the President based on circumstances at the time. It would be hypocritical to condone Bush's spending and not Obamas. And all the things I despised about Bush, spending was the least of the problems...except obviously what he spent it on..the war.

the treasury did take in record revenues under bush , no credit for thst?

Neither, really. They're both probably too much, and once the floodgates are open, let's just do it the American way and go as big as we can.

That's the thing, is that I'm not the one complaining about Obama's spending, so I don't need to be accountable for not complaining about Bush's spending...why would I have done that? Obviously, like Bob says, I disagree with what he was spending it on, but I certainly wasn't complaining about the amount. That was supposed to be your job based on how we now know you feel about spending as of three months ago...

I thought the left would come around once they realized this guy was doing the same thing as the last guy was but I guess I was wrong. Wake up America.

i would have done it the other way around. i know america exists.

and if you take the emotion out, and of course the ' party in charge can't do a goddam thing right' as well....

you might just remember a guy named timothy mcveigh. he was a war vet.

now, does that mean all vets are to be suspected? obviously not. is the military a microcosm of our society? absolutely, emphatically, yes. now, the ordinary citizen doesn't get trained to kill, kill, kill. but our soldiers do. it's not blasphemous to suggest some might go down the wrong path upon discharge, it's reality.

no, he wasn't. dell didn't start with political posts til the dems started their electioneering.

[quote=Danzig]no, he wasn't. dell didn't start with political posts til the dems started their electioneering.[/QUOTE]

Can you define that and what about it is relevant to Dell's paranoia?

[quote=GBBob]
oh, he's paranoid? i thought he was republican...

maybe i used the wrong word. i think i should have said campaigning.

[quote=Danzig]John McCain is a Republican...Ronald Reagan was a Republican..Steve..well Steve is giving Ann Coulter a run for her money and making Joe McArthey proud

[quote=GBBob]
argh, i can't stand her. she's a looney.

and reagan...he was our commander in chief when tony and i were in the service. i know some didn't care for him, but i liked the guy.

Being consistently wrong is nothing to brag about. Let me ask you and the other lefties that unilaterally defend Obama's spending, a question? Where are your posts on Bush's spending? Had you raised the issue perhaps the people on the right may have been willing to debate you. Of course none of you are complaining about the spending except in rebuttal to our complaints which are just as or in some cases more valid because of the enormity of the money being bandied about. My biggest question concerning the entire thread is that if this guys rights were violated why do some feel he should get "millions"? I mean does that supposed violation, not letting a guy pee during a song, really be the cause of such sustained agony that he should be rewarded by hitting the lottery? Pay his lawyers fees, give him a couple grand for his trouble and ask him not to come back seems like a fair penalty to me.

seems to be the reaction far too often. explains why car insurance is so high...millions don't grow on trees.
they ought to refund his ticket and be done with it.

My "millions" comment was a sarcastic response to the anger at him...to the "Frenchy" comments and to all the BS he probably faced from the Yankee's crackerjack security squad. Of course I don't think he should get Millions, but anything less is really slap in the face to an organization with a payroll like that:rolleyes:

it would do the organization as much good to give millions to him as to some of those players, eh?? lol

seriously tho...he doesn't deserve to hit the lottery-but he didn't deserve to get thrown out of the game either. too often things are either one extreme or the other.

Maybe they should just sign the guy to pitch out of the bullpen? Of course BWS would probably consider that torture.

I'll quote myself earlier today:

I didn't complain about Bush's spending because it doesn't frankly bother me that much, inasmuch as we're talking about raw dollar amounts, even though it was clearly "too much" by your guys' standards. I'm a liberal, I'm pretty behind a great deal of government spending, so like I said, there would have been no reason for me to go out of my way to criticize the spending.

That's exactly why I never talked about it, because I didn't care that much...and guess what? I still don't care that much. It's ONLY relevant whether you guys that are complaining NOW were complaining back then when his spending was out of control...and you weren't.

I shouldn't be expected to complain about something that doesn't bother me, right? But you should be expected to complain when YOUR guy does the same thing you're mad about when OUR guy does, even if it's on a smaller scale. That's why it only comes up in response to your current complaints, because pointing out transparent hypocrisy is usually a pretty easy thing to show that people aren't being intellectually honest in a discussion.

Transparent hypocrisy? Because we didnt start threads about it we are hypocrites? That is rich. Let me ask you a question and to avoid being called a hypocrite answer honestly, would you have defended Bush's spending had we started a bunch of threads about it? You want to label those that disagree with your side as hypocrites when your labeling is as hypocritical as anything. Because fiscal conservatives like myself disagree with the spending habits of America's most liberal president ever we are hypocrites because we didn't bash Bush as loudly? Or IN YOUR OPINION do you think we are simply bashing him because he is a liberal? Why does everything that Obama or Congress does have to be attached to prior arguments about Bush?

Despite being labeled by Joey and you I am much more centrist than either of you ever dreamed about. As far as social issues there are a lot of conservative views that I disagree with. I am for stricter gun control. I am neither pro or anti abortion. I dont like the intrusion of religion in politics though I think altering of historical buildings with religious sayings is a bit over the top. I have no problem with gay marriage. But on economic issues I am very much conservative as is a great deal of America. Maybe not your version of America but the rest of the country outside of big cities. And that will ultimately be the downfall of your party, again.

I'll answer honestly.

I would have had nothing to say, with the exception of maybe a snarky comment about how I wish he'd spend less on killing foreigners in wars or something like that which would have been expected.

About the actual spending itself? I didn't have much of a problem with it...I may not have had much "defending" to do, mostly because I was indifferent and I generally wouldn't put those two together, defending things I don't care about very much.

So your "indifference " to Obamas spending is why you defend him and attack us? To maintain some kind of political thread status quo?

Come on, you would have been all over him for spending so much on the war. For us the social agenda put forth in the current administration spending spree is as big a issue as the war is to you. Perhaps you disagree with our take but the reasoning is the same. I guess the thing that is most bothersome is that you guys consistently call conservatives or Reps names or make generalizations about us which are really not true as they are generally opinions of yours while at least I only resort to calling you typical liberals which, well, is true.

I consider myself liberal but i dont think anyone that actually looked at that stimulus could come away without questioning some of the pork. I have said time and again the biggest roadblocks to Obama's success would come from within his own party.

I applaud the president's iniatives. Might they fail? Sure. Do I agree with the lack of fiscal responsibility? Sure. But is the overall vision a step toward a better future?

Regardless of who was to blame, and I have no interest in debating that for the 1,000,000th time, there is no question that Obama walked into a heaping pile of smoldering crap on multiple fronts. Whether his plans work or not remains to be seen.

We are in a crisis situation. The markets are/were teetering on the precipice. Now is not the time to let markets take care of themselves.

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