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Bigsmc 10-22-2008 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
You too? :rolleyes:

I would've liked to see them skip Moyer's start altogether and use him out of the pen for an inning or two. This way, Hamels would throw tonight and Sunday, but that just isnt going to happen, unless...

Moyer throws too slow and those bats of TB will probably get to him. The Phils would need alot of run support in that game, IMO.

and Bigs...What is up with you and I being tied in everything? FF and NFL pick 'em, the latter being a weird coincidence...Guess this series will help settle the score...;)

Best of luck to you in the other two.

At least we aren't tied for last place.....good luck to you too.

Antitrust32 10-22-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Tonight and tomorrow night. Taking Friday off work....


Have Fun Bigs!! Let me know if you need a date! LOL

Cannon Shell 10-22-2008 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Yeah, it's an interesting matchup with the starting pitching of the Rays against the bullpen of the Phillies. I think the Rays are slightly better offensively, so I like them, but no predictions for fear of mushing.

mushophobia

Scav 10-22-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
In what is one of the all time great World Series performances, Mickey Lolich won games 2, 5 and 7 in 1968 and pitched complete games in all three. Game 7 was on two days rest. Denny McLain had won 31 games during the season but was not himself in the Series, so Lolich got the call for game 7.

He outdueled the great Bob Gibson, who won games 1 and 4, in game 7. Gibson also pitched complete games in all three starts.

Back to your question. Yes, but not anymore. They baby the pitchers these days.

Don't be surprised to see Hamels come back on short rest if the Phils are in trouble, but I'm sure they won't be.....:)

Please tell me you had to look this up? 68 and remembering that is aging yourself, like more then GPK style

viscount26 10-22-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Please tell me you had to look this up? 68 and remembering that is aging yourself, like more then GPK style

That was the year after the riots I believe. I also knew the answers being a Cardinals Fan
:D

Scav 10-22-2008 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by viscount26
That was the year after the riots I believe. I also knew the answers being a Cardinals Fan
:D

That is becuase you are OLD, like you could be GPK's off the boat grandpa

Cannon Shell 10-22-2008 03:37 PM

The rays bullpen is probably better in every position but the big one, closer. They really dont have any one guy who can shut the other team down (they actually do and they finally used him) but the situational guys that have are better than Phillys. Price may be a big factor in the later innings facing Utley and Howard as Tampa's top lefty power pitcher in the pen. The bottom of the Phils lineup can be really dreadful with Feliz,Ruiz and whoever mans rightfield. The Phils bench is not a strength and Blanton is really the weak link of the starters. Moyer was horrible against LA but he was terrible against them all year. I expect the Rays to tee off of fat joe. There is really no reason not to use Hamels in games 1 and 4 especially with and all the rest and off days. As a matter of fact if they dont i cant see them winning the series and if they lose tonight it will be a big hole to climb out of with Myers, Moyer and Blanton up the next three.

viscount26 10-22-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
That is becuase you are OLD, like you could be GPK's off the boat grandpa

Ouch
:wf
Don't give Kev any more ammo please
:D

Mortimer 10-22-2008 03:47 PM

Don't fucl< with the dumb as.s......just step on him.

viscount26 10-22-2008 03:51 PM

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Don't fucl< with the dumb as.s......just step on him.

Consider him stepped on

Scav 10-22-2008 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Don't fucl< with the dumb as.s......just step on him.

^^^mighty response from self proclaimed predator

Mortimer 10-22-2008 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
^^^mighty response from self proclaimed predator

^^^^ Carl type response...go fetch Skids and his Mother for help.

Mortimer 10-22-2008 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by viscount26
Consider him stepped on


Good.

declansharbor 10-22-2008 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The rays bullpen is probably better in every position but the big one, closer. They really dont have any one guy who can shut the other team down (they actually do and they finally used him) but the situational guys that have are better than Phillys. Price may be a big factor in the later innings facing Utley and Howard as Tampa's top lefty power pitcher in the pen. The bottom of the Phils lineup can be really dreadful with Feliz,Ruiz and whoever mans rightfield. The Phils bench is not a strength and Blanton is really the weak link of the starters. Moyer was horrible against LA but he was terrible against them all year. I expect the Rays to tee off of fat joe. There is really no reason not to use Hamels in games 1 and 4 especially with and all the rest and off days. As a matter of fact if they dont i cant see them winning the series and if they lose tonight it will be a big hole to climb out of with Myers, Moyer and Blanton up the next three.

I agree with the Hamels assessment and would really like to see Chuckle's wheel him back to the hill on Sunday, esp with the day off on friday. You are right, if they were to lose tonight, an uneasy feeling would surely ensue because of the 2nd-4th pitchers...Not sure of what Blanton's record against this year's Rays is, imnot even sure if he has faced them.

I disagree about the bullpen. You would be hard-pressed to find a pitcher throwing better at the moment than Ryan Madson. He has really stepped it up as of late and his pitches are clicking on all cylinders.. We also have a wildcard in J A Happ, who people dont know much about. He has a strong arm adn will eventually move up into the rotation next year. JC Romero has been suspect down teh stretch and will need to step his $hit up so that he can face the lefty's of TB (Im thinking he's capable of it)...I just pray to the Man Above that Chuckles doesnt run Durbin out to the mound. Everytime that guy pitches I have heart palpitations...Im too young to die of a heart attack, and in this situation(WS) he might just bring me to the brink. (Kevin Finnerty style, Soprano's reference)..Chuckles has to think long and hard before making these decisions and hopefully Dicky Doobee can calm the starters down with a trip to the mound if necessary. All of this, of course, is on the grand stage, and every move will be criticized (right or wrong) under the large microscope.

Will be an interesting series to say the least. The time is finally upon us, and it is now time to crack open my first Straub Light of the night...

viscount26 10-22-2008 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Good.

You are a fine teacher Sir :D :D

Cannon Shell 10-22-2008 04:15 PM

There is a rumor that Manny and the Phils may be getting together. Would replace Burrell

declansharbor 10-22-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
There is a rumor that Manny and the Phils may be getting together. Would replace Burrell

'If this were true', I'd go ape$hit...The thought of Manny playing half of his games in that ballpark is a scary, scary one. As much as I support Burrell, that would be a welcomed upgrade for sure. Burrell catches some flak around here for being tortoise slow, but once he gets to that ball, he's as good as it gets. He should make fans for another team happy next year.

ateamstupid 10-22-2008 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I definately can not agree with you that the Rays are slightly better offensively. Not sure how many people could agree with that either.

Utley, Howard, Rollins, Pat the Bat.....

and thats not even including guys like the Flyin Hawaiian (Victorino), & Werth.

Add some men that come up big in some spots like Ruiz, Coste & Dobbs and that is one heck of an offensive lineup!

Uh, did you even watch the ALCS?

Upton, Longoria and Pena are just as dangerous as Rollins, Howard and Utley IMO, if not more. Burrell's OK, but so are Floyd and Aybar and when Maddon actually plays Baldelli, the lineup doesn't really have any holes.

Mortimer 10-22-2008 04:50 PM

For those of you not plugged in ,as I am --very much so, Charlie and Manny are big buddies.


Father/Son thing.


Manny being Fillie.

MaTH716 10-22-2008 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The rays bullpen is probably better in every position but the big one, closer. They really dont have any one guy who can shut the other team down (they actually do and they finally used him) but the situational guys that have are better than Phillys. Price may be a big factor in the later innings facing Utley and Howard as Tampa's top lefty power pitcher in the pen. The bottom of the Phils lineup can be really dreadful with Feliz,Ruiz and whoever mans rightfield. The Phils bench is not a strength and Blanton is really the weak link of the starters. Moyer was horrible against LA but he was terrible against them all year. I expect the Rays to tee off of fat joe. There is really no reason not to use Hamels in games 1 and 4 especially with and all the rest and off days. As a matter of fact if they dont i cant see them winning the series and if they lose tonight it will be a big hole to climb out of with Myers, Moyer and Blanton up the next three.

:tro:

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2008 05:47 PM

O.K., well, as I wrote last week (by posting that song "7 Days" by the now fat Craig David) I think the layoff for Philly could be an issue. Overall, The Rays have the better starting pitching. In the 3 games Cole Hamels didn't pitch in, the Dodgers scored what? 5-7 runs, and probably should have scored more. The Rays got 2 great starts from Garza, 1 great start from both Kazmir n' Sonanstine(?whatever.) In 2 of the wins against the Dodgers, Billingsley had the white flag up early. Sometimes he does that, and the pressure turned "sometimes" into "twice" in one series. I don't think the Rays starters are gunna lay down like Billingsley. I know the Dodgers weaknesses well, and the only one the Rays have in common is the lack of lights out dominant bullpen. If Price has that live arm working, then they will have none of the weaknesses the Dodgers had. The Dodgers hit the ball to the exact wrong part of Bank One. Tampa shows good power to left field down the line. So, that should take away some of the advantage the Phils have had in their park. Victorino was red hot in the Dodger Series. He may or may not stay that hot. 7 days is a lot. I think the Rays will win it, but I sure don't like the price -175 or whatever it is. They are both capabale of winning it. I just like the Rays a lil more(not -175 more.) If I was gunna bet, I'd probably bet what I said to do last year( series ends in 4 games ....Doesn't matter who ...6/1.) That's what happened last year, and in '2004. Did the Tigers get 1 game in World Series 2 years ago? Anyways, the series is swept more often than it should be.

Mortimer 10-22-2008 05:48 PM

Yup...that layover really hurt the Red Sox last year.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-22-2008 06:06 PM

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Yup...that layover really hurt the Red Sox last year.

Take your f'n Schitzo pills.

Mortimer 10-22-2008 06:13 PM

Unlearn yourself.


Try being an alien rock.

Mortimer 10-22-2008 06:14 PM

Don't blame me for your idiot stick posts.

MaTH716 10-22-2008 07:21 PM

Damn, I had the under for the national anthem. They have to be kidding me!

MaTH716 10-22-2008 08:10 PM

Wow great throw by Upton! Great job getting out of that without giving up any runs.

GPK 10-22-2008 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
I would like to hear Charlie Manuel get some credit here.

That dumb hillbilly from West Virginia hasn't done too bad for the Fillies.





You have to love the guy. When he was here....Shapiro told him late in his last year they would be interviewing manager candidates for next year,but not to worry as Charlie was one of the candidates they would interview.



REALLY.






Manuel told him to shove the sham he was trying to run and quit on the spot.


Shapiro appeared before the cameras the next day with the Dimmy in the headlights look.



Just another reason I can't stand Shapiro and Wedgie,but love Manuel.


:mad: :mad:

He is the exact reason why I am rooting for the Phillies.

Mortimer 10-22-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
:mad: :mad:

He is the exact reason why I am rooting for the Phillies.

This belongs in the Padlock thread titles thread.

GPK 10-22-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
For those of you not plugged in ,as I am --very much so, Charlie and Manny are big buddies.


Father/Son thing.


Manny being Fillie.


Wouldn't surprise me either Morty. CM and Manny were very tight in Cleveland.

Mortimer 10-22-2008 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Wouldn't surprise me either Morty. CM and Manny were very tight in Cleveland.

Aw fer the love a mike!!

GPK 10-22-2008 08:54 PM

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Aw fer the love a carl!!

FTFY

Mortimer 10-22-2008 08:55 PM

!!

GPK 10-22-2008 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
!!

;)

dalakhani 10-22-2008 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Wouldn't surprise me either Morty. CM and Manny were very tight in Cleveland.

I dont think thats going to happen. The phillies have a bunch of guys eligible for arbitration and they have to sign ryan howard. They arent gonna have manny money.

GPK 10-22-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I dont think thats going to happen. The phillies have a bunch of guys eligible for arbitration and they have to sign ryan howard. They arent gonna have manny money.

Is it possible to mush a possible signing??;)

ateamstupid 10-22-2008 10:45 PM

Ryan Howard strikes out A LOT.

declansharbor 10-22-2008 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Ryan Howard strikes out A LOT.

Since we're stating the obvious, that BJ Upton sure was sloooooooww tonight. Alot slower than a guy that had 44 sb's during the regular season should look like.

And good thing you rescinded that TERRIBLE assessment of Lidge.;)

All in all, tonights game was exactly how I had it played out in my mind, a low scoring affair.

The Phils could have gotten Hamels a bit more rest had they capitalized on all of those stranded runners early on in the game. Things like that could be the difference, no matter how small they appear to be. Good job by Kazmir getting out of those early jams.

Bigsmc 10-23-2008 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Please tell me you had to look this up? 68 and remembering that is aging yourself, like more then GPK style

My family went to a game. I had to stay home with Grandma.

Didn't have to look it up. It is the stuff of legends in Michigan. They don't talk about '84, they talk about '68.

One of the bolder moves ever by Mayo Smith was moving Mickey Stanley to shortstop for the series. Pretty sure he never played SS until the WS. Nobody would have the balls to do that today.

Bigsmc 10-23-2008 12:12 AM

Phils in 4.


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