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Kasept 09-29-2008 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Watch all her races, she hasn't got there in time everytime. Those two extra horses could easily be the difference.
If she runs like she ran Saturday, they could put 23 in against her and she'd still wn for fun. Right now, she reminds me of Halfbridled, and looked Saturday like a 2yo version of Zenyatta. She got to the front in a half dozen jumps with Smith only smooching at her. Once there, she was looking at the infield video screen and the stands while opening up lengths.

Betsy 09-29-2008 09:07 PM
She's set to be sold after the BC, which kind of makes me nervous. It just sounds so unsettled...........

http://www.drf.com/news/article/98644.html

lemoncrush 09-30-2008 09:41 AM
The only other 2-yo filly I've seen this year that I might pick to beat her is Mani Bhavan. I see she's not scheduled to run at Belmont this weekend.
Anyone know is she's going in the Spinster at Keenland, or training up to the BC?

SniperSB23 09-30-2008 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
The only other 2-yo filly I've seen this year that I might pick to beat her is Mani Bhavan. I see she's not scheduled to run at Belmont this weekend.
Anyone know is she's going in the Spinster at Keenland, or training up to the BC?
Has she even worked since her last race?

hrfan 09-30-2008 10:01 AM
weak division and her being a monster, makes her most likely winner of the entire breeders cup weekend....
i would love to try to beat her, but with who ? ? ?

ateamstupid 09-30-2008 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
The only other 2-yo filly I've seen this year that I might pick to beat her is Mani Bhavan. I see she's not scheduled to run at Belmont this weekend.
Anyone know is she's going in the Spinster at Keenland, or training up to the BC?
I think Stardom Bound would floss her teeth with Mani Bhavan at anything over six furlongs.

Scav 09-30-2008 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Betsy
She's set to be sold after the BC, which kind of makes me nervous. It just sounds so unsettled...........

http://www.drf.com/news/article/98644.html
Why would it make you nervous, the owner is dissolving his stable and Paasch is getting out of training.

I can think of a couple recent fillies that went from the BC Juv Fillies right to the sales ring

RolloTomasi 09-30-2008 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
The only other 2-yo filly I've seen this year that I might pick to beat her is Mani Bhavan. I see she's not scheduled to run at Belmont this weekend.
Anyone know is she's going in the Spinster at Keenland, or training up to the BC?
Definitely not in the Spinster. You're thinking of the Alcibiades.

Betsy 09-30-2008 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Why would it make you nervous, the owner is dissolving his stable and Paasch is getting out of training.

I can think of a couple recent fillies that went from the BC Juv Fillies right to the sales ring
It makes me nervous as to who's going to buy her. Darley gets in on anything with 4 legs and I don't want them to buy her - that would mean she automatically retires after next year, no matter how good she ends up being. I also don't want her being bought by Japanese interests - I want to see SB run in the States.

lemoncrush 09-30-2008 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Definitely not in the Spinster. You're thinking of the Alcibiades.
Ahh, right. Wrong age group.

And didn't Point Ashley go from the DelMar Debutante to that same sale a couple of years ago? or was she sold privately and then a phantom injury ended her illustrious career?

RolloTomasi 09-30-2008 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
Ahh, right. Wrong age group.

And didn't Point Ashley go from the DelMar Debutante to that same sale a couple of years ago? or was she sold privately and then a phantom injury ended her illustrious career?
I think Zayat Stable bought her back or something.

slotdirt 09-30-2008 01:26 PM
I believe Point Ashley was the origin of the <insert horse here> "has done enough" phrase.

Scav 09-30-2008 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Betsy
It makes me nervous as to who's going to buy her. Darley gets in on anything with 4 legs and I don't want them to buy her - that would mean she automatically retires after next year, no matter how good she ends up being. I also don't want her being bought by Japanese interests - I want to see SB run in the States.
When have the Japanese bought a horse that was racing and then shipped it to Japan to solely race in Japan? I have never seen that, at least in the last 10 years

You realize that she would retire at the end of her 3 year old year with about 90% of the connections out there right because of her value as a broodmare, which is somewhat questionable given her breeding.

Scav 09-30-2008 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this. Fillies retire early much less than colts do. Even really good fillies. Look at the last 15 3 year old filly eclipse winners. Off the top of my head, the only ones that didn't come back at 4 were the injured Rags, Farda Amiga and Yank's Music.

2007 : Rags to Riches
2006 : Wait A While
2005 : Smuggler
2004 : Ashado
2003 : Bird Town
2002 : Farda Amiga
2001 : Xtra Heat
2000 : Surfside
1999 : Silverbulletday
1998 : Banshee Breeze
1997 : Ajina
1996 : Yanks Music
1995 : Serena's Song
1994 : Heavenly Prize
1993 : Hollywood Wildcat
I stand corrected on that point......

Scav 09-30-2008 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
;)

I just wanted to try and be like DrugS once.
That was a very Drugs-esqe post, nice job....

RolloTomasi 09-30-2008 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
;)

I just wanted to try and be like DrugS once.
I don't think Bird Town ran at 4. I think people were calling for ML Whitney's plastic-reinforced head on here, in fact, when it was announced.

KirisClown 09-30-2008 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
I don't think Bird Town ran at 4..
You're right...

She is coming home to the farm," Whitney told the Albany Times Union. "I am not in this game to try and milk every penny out of these horses while they're running. She has done so much for us and I just love her so much."

I guess RACING a RACE horse for longer than a year is considered "milking".

SniperSB23 09-30-2008 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
I guess RACING a RACE horse for longer than a year is considered "milking".
And I guess you show your love by making sure she pregnant for 90% of the rest of her life.

RolloTomasi 09-30-2008 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Maybe not. Like I said, it was off the top of my head. I don't really remember Smuggler running at 4 either, but still the point is the same.
True. It was just ironic that she was glanced over cuz I'm pretty sure there were a bunch of people in an uproar over her retirement.

Personally, I thought the early retirement of Birdstone was even worse. The excuse being he wouldn't be able to make the Donn Handicap or something after ankle surgery.

King Glorious 09-30-2008 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this. Fillies retire early much less than colts do. Even really good fillies. Look at the last 15 3 year old filly eclipse winners. Off the top of my head, the only ones that didn't come back at 4 were the injured Rags, Farda Amiga and Yank's Music.

2007 : Rags to Riches...........Curlin
2006 : Wait A While.........Bernardini
2005 : Smuggler.............Afleet Alex
2004 : Ashado...........Smarty Jones
2003 : Bird Town............Funny Cide
2002 : Farda Amiga...........War Emblem
2001 : Xtra Heat.......Point Given
2000 : Surfside.........Tiznow
1999 : Silverbulletday.........Charismatic
1998 : Banshee Breeze........Real Quiet
1997 : Ajina.........Silver Charm
1996 : Yanks Music.......Skip Away
1995 : Serena's Song.......Thunder Gulch
1994 : Heavenly Prize..........Holy Bull
1993 : Hollywood Wildcat.......Prairie Bayou
The same could almost be said for the champion colts over this same period. Injuries took Prairie Bayou, Thunder Gulch, Charismatic, Point Given, Smarty Jones, and Afleet Alex. Of the rest, Holy Bull, Skip Away, Silver Charm, Real Quiet, Tiznow, Funny Cide, and Curlin all came back. The only ones that didn't come back because of owner's choice that didn't suffer injury were Bernardini and War Emblem.

blackthroatedwind 09-30-2008 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
You're right...

She is coming home to the farm," Whitney told the Albany Times Union. "I am not in this game to try and milk every penny out of these horses while they're running. She has done so much for us and I just love her so much."

I guess RACING a RACE horse for longer than a year is considered "milking".

I think you and I know the most disgraceful 3YO filly retirement of all time....and the moron that did it.

Cannon Shell 09-30-2008 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
You're right...

She is coming home to the farm," Whitney told the Albany Times Union. "I am not in this game to try and milk every penny out of these horses while they're running. She has done so much for us and I just love her so much."

I guess RACING a RACE horse for longer than a year is considered "milking".
Source must be considered

RolloTomasi 09-30-2008 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
The same could almost be said for the champion colts over this same period. Injuries took Prairie Bayou, Thunder Gulch, Charismatic, Point Given, Smarty Jones, and Afleet Alex. Of the rest, Holy Bull, Skip Away, Silver Charm, Real Quiet, Tiznow, Funny Cide, and Curlin all came back. The only ones that didn't come back because of owner's choice that didn't suffer injury were Bernardini and War Emblem.
Maybe using the year-end champion wasn't the best platform, but the point was that the colts tend to retire much sooner. In fact, so soon that the majority don't do enough to earn a championship. Just as long as they win some "stallion-making" or "name" race.

Look no further than last year. Before they even ran the Classic we knew that Hard Spun, Street Sense, and most likely Any Given Saturday wouldn't return at 4.

Actually, the 3yos that run in the Classic are often a good source of such horses. Coronado's Quest, his sire Forty Niner, FuPeg, Giant's Causeway, Hold That Tiger, Birdstone, Black Minnaloushe, Came Home, War Emblem, Bernardini, etc.

King Glorious 09-30-2008 06:16 PM
I don't remember the place I saw the interview but I distinctively remember Whitney saying she doesn't like to race her fillies past three.

Betsy 09-30-2008 07:17 PM
Honestly? I still haven't forgiven the Sheikh for retiring Bernardini. I know a lot of people thought he was overrated, but he was a very good horse and he could have been a wonderful older horse.

KirisClown 09-30-2008 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think you and I know the most disgraceful 3YO filly retirement of all time....and the moron that did it.
No past or future retirement will ever top that one... I think the moron would agree..

Getaway 09-30-2008 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think you and I know the most disgraceful 3YO filly retirement of all time....and the moron that did it.

Octave?

blackthroatedwind 09-30-2008 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Getaway
Octave?


Indy Five Hundred.

It's kind of an inside joke.

Kasept 09-30-2008 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Indy Five Hundred.

It's kind of an inside joke.
Wow... Indy Five Hundred.

Betsy 09-30-2008 10:21 PM
Indy Five Hundred won the Garden City Stakes at Belmont, didn't she? I don't remember if she ran after that...........I think she may have, but badly. I liked her.

SniperSB23 09-30-2008 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Indy Five Hundred.

It's kind of an inside joke.
Sweet Catomine wasn't the prettiest retirement of all time.

cowgirlintexas 09-30-2008 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Sweet Catomine wasn't the prettiest retirement of all time.
I loved her :) Nice big filly...

I don't remember what happend with her retirement tho..

SniperSB23 09-30-2008 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani
They had a big ceremony at Santa Anita park for her with the Wygods and Canani holding hands and parading her around the track for one last lap amidst a chorus of cheers.
Wow George W, I'm impressed.


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