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Wasn't Invasor like an October foal?
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I was wrong, he was born in August, Bernardini in March. He had about seven months on Bernardini when they met.
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I guess brown has to win the Belmont by 40 lengths and somehow post a beyer of 120 to get any respect. Nobody has come close to him yet. He won the Derby out of the 20th post. Toyed with the Preakness yet still dumbass Beyer doesn't like him. The Triple Crown is so hard to win especially today. If he does it he is a super horse.
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For the last five years only, I'd go with:
3yo's only, non-sprinters 1-Smarty Jones 2-Bernardini 3-Curlin 4-Big Brown 5-Lion Heart 6-Afleet Alex 7-Barbaro 8-Street Sense 9-Flower Alley 10-Birdstone |
Lion Heart?
Oy vey. |
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my yiddish is poor....is "oy vey" kinda like "oh my"? |
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No Invasor?
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Sorry, King, I just noticed "3 years old only".
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If we go back eight years, I would like to see Fusaichi Pegasus and Sunday Break get their props. |
Sunday Break probably isn't one of the 1,800 best Japanese bred horses to race in the last eight years... so he was a fairly clever choice.
However, Fu Peg was a KEE July Select sales topper - raced only in America - and his lone connection with Japan was his owner. Poor choice. Fusaichi Samurai might have been better. Ski Captain being the most underrated dirt horse to race in America in the 90's might have been better played. |
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Had Drysdale not treated him with kid gloves, he would have been more fit for the Wood, would have made the KY Derby field, and would have run down War Emblem. Lest anyone think I am serious, I'm not. It's sad that I need to say this. |
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Yes, why allow reasonable thinking to get in the way of your myopic view. |
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Maybe I just wasn't much of a Smarty Jones guy. I have a hard time putting him ahead of #s 2-8 on your list save Lion Heart and remember that he was only 1-1 against Birdstone. NT |
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I'm assuming that you do realize that once upon a time, really good horses somehow managed to run numbers in the 120s relatively often. Easy Goer, for example, ran a 120 or better four times in his 3yo campaign. |
The naysayers, even if Big Brown wins the Triple Crown, will still continue to say he's overrated. He could win the Belmont by a margain equal to Secretariat, and some, perhaps many, will still call him overrated.
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But he is certainly very good, and I wouldn't be at all shocked if he does give us a "wow" performance in the Belmont. At this point, there is simply no doubt that he is overrated. But that doesn't mean that he isn't CAPABLE of proving his most ardent supporters correct in the Belmont. |
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Once again you conveniently skirted around the fact that Curlin beat older horses twice, and they happened to be the best older horses that were available. Maybe not the best handicap division, but still older horses. I could never agree with putting a horse like Smarty Jones ahead of Curlin in terms of respective 3YO campaigns. NT |
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He was NEVER in a million years winning that Travers. |
Did You Consider The Trip Factor In This Beyers? 12 Hole Fla Derby
20 Hole 4 Wide Ky Derby. If Beyers Were That Good A Gauge Of Horses We Would All Be On Easy Street. They Are A Suckers Crutch. |
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No sane person could. |
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Big Brown Is Not Overated If You Compare Him To 3 Yr Olds. He Is 3 You Know. We Can't Compare Him Yet To Curlin And The Likes Because He Has Only Raced 5 Times. Curlin Is 4 Now And More Matured Get Big A Chance To Do This.
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First off all, Lion Heart is a runner-up and that only in any Triple Crown race which, based upon the skewed logic you've presented, disqualifies him to a spot well below say more than a dozen 3-year-olds included and not included in your list. But because I'm off tomorrow, I'll play. Street Sense is a Kentucky Derby winner, a Preakness runner-up, a Jim Dandy winner, a Travers winner and a runner-up against elders in the Kentucky Cup. How, in a million years that qualifies him for a lower spot than a horse like Lion Heart is flabbergasting. Or how Afleet Alex, who won the Arkansas Derby, was a Derby runner-up, a Preakness winner and a Belmont winner is below Lion Heart is good for a segment on The Daily Show. Here's one which really made me laugh... Flower Alley ABOVE Birdstone! Flower Alley won the Travers, Birdstone won the BELMONT STAKES AND THE TRAVERS!!!! Oh my!!!! |
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My point is that I think regardless of what this horse does, I think he will always have critics -- and that's the interesting part. In part, it might be due to the horse himself, perhaps the weakness of the crop as one example. However, I think it's become far more about the trainer and the connections. That won't go away. Eric |
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